(October 4, 2016 at 2:41 pm)Drich Wrote:(October 4, 2016 at 12:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, you go ahead and tell me when you find a businesman then.....lol?Dude say what you will, but like it or not he has billions in assets.. they don't just give away skyscrapers with your name on them. No one has even come close to doing what he has done. managing billions and knowing how to kick start this country's economy should be argument enough who is tired of working themselves to death and has nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I got a taste of how a strong american ecconomy can make all of us a little better off post clinton 1 and pre 9/11 and i would like a decade or so before the liberals crap it all back up. i like most of america need to put some money in the bank before we can just start giving away what we dont have. If you've neve know a strong american ecconomy then I an understand why you would vote liberal, but if you have you'd know the 'low hanging fruit' is enough to make any 1/2 assed (just go to work at a reasonable job) american rich.
Quote:Obama has literally spent more money in his term than every single president before him COMBINED! And Clinton wants more of the same...Quote:Obamas not running for president, and Hillary has her own policies, as flawed as we may find them. There;s no need to invent and spread hyperbole in order to object to another President Clinton.
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Even liberal are billing this as obama's 3rd term. she is changing very little.. Even his disdain for police officers.
Quote:Trump in the first 45 mins of the debate mentioned the new bubble created by the fed by keeping the intrest rate so low. if it simply goes back to 4% our nation's debt doubbles.. the debt Obama has already doubled in his 8 years.. So what is clinton's plan "tax the rich."Quote:Well, we do have to pay what we owe, don't we? The money has to come from somewhere, and taxing the poor is squeezing a stone for blood, at this point.Here's the thing.. If we doubled everyone's tax burdern and did not allow for any deductions, at our current obama deficit if we did not accrue any new debt it would take several hundred years to pay what we owe... IF WE DOUBBLED EVERYONE'S Taxes.
The only way out of this is to generate new businesses and to bring business back companies who have outsourced their labor..
The only way to do that is to eliminate these trade deals that make it cheaper to build in other countries and ship their goods here. it has to be cheaper to build it here.
If all these companies are now building here again, then that means more jobs. If we are flooded with jobs again then that means employers have to pay more.. Not as a means to artificially inflate the job market with a higher min wage, but because we increased demand for skilled labor. which again increases tax revenue. We are currently a nation in decline looking to pay an ever increasing debt. which is not possible by contributing the decline by taxing the only people who can create jobs... Look at greece, Italy the EU, this tax and spend thing has failed, and yet clinton is chasing after this pipe dream by promising more taxes and you guys are lining up for it!!!
Quote:Yep, capital flight is a thing, the flighty rich are scumbags........we already know this? You;re not hoping to imply that -because- the flighty rich would do the scumbag thing, we shouldn't -try- to get them to pay their way..that we have to squeeze the already crushed poor because rich douchebags gotta douche....are you?No.. cut spending. Cut taxes. What happens in your home when you get a pay cut? do you spend more? do you apply for more credit in hopes to spend you way out of the problem?
Like I said above. You create jobs by forcing companies to bring manufacturing back here. Like trump said you lift the penalties for repatriating the funds people transferred to those swiss banks to hide it from obama. Trump claims there are hunderds of trillions of dollars being hidden around the world in different banks, for onr reason only. Governmental greed. It is cheaper for a billionare to hide his money in some off shore bank with all of their fees and taxes, than it is to have it here in our banks. Trump is purposing amnesty for those who bring back their money and invest in American banks...
This money isn't just going to sit in a vault. Banks invest via loans from homes to roads to power plants to all the infrastructure we need to 'make America great again.'
All of which generates revenue which gets TAXED...
Or they can tighten down and tax the rich more and make all of america look like detroit. (was the home to a trillion dollar industry/which all went to mexico because it just cost too much here to build a car)
Here's the thing you need to remember. the rich will not be taxed (look at trump) they have the money to find some one to help them hide it, or they have the finds to simply move.
Why do you think clinton can not define the middle class anymore? Google it It use to be a house hold who made between 75K and 250K.. She can't define the middle class because they will soon be informed that they are now apart of the upper class. a family that makes 125K collectively can't move to the caymans... but they can be made to pay a 50% income tax to pay for whatever give away is going to get her fat butt elected next go round. The truly rich.. the donald trumps/the men who she is selling to be whom she will be robbing to give to the poor will exodus this country like rats from a sinking ship. while YOU will now fund all the freebe's she has planned.
Quote:Not to mention the trade deals like nafta that has weakened this country to the point of perpetual poverty. I was in New Orleans this weekend and we just went by row after row of abandoned factories and warehouses.. it is sicking to see how much we as a country has lost in a once great hub of commerce.Quote:Which isn't coming back, no matter who we elect. We're not voting for a time machine, you realize?B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S M-A-N
A business man like trump renegotiates deals.. especially unfavorable like this. Trump says mexico owes us trillions.. which is how he said he will make them build the wall.. Now lets say, he comes to us and says 'hey folks we can have mexico build the wall or we can leverage some of that revenue that mexico owes us to renegotiate nafta... which do you think we'd want more?
Now what do you think el presedente' is going to do with either a demand to pay up/get cut off, Build a wall or get cut off, or let talk nafta?
Quote:What am I willing to do? I'm not voting for either. I;d love to live in a great nation too (course, I think I do..MURICA!)...but I thought we were discussing trump and hillary, the election...not fantasyland?not voting for Hillary is good enough!
You honestly think EU auserity measures have failed because countries were allowed to increase spending? What part of "cut government spending by 60%, and stop paying pensions or social welfare to anybody, or we won't give you this 7.5% loan to bail out your banks"* do you not understand?
The current crisis in the EU and UK is due to failure to tax and spend, not a failure of tax and spend.
*Germany's terms to Greece with the 2015 "bailout" loan, with the added proviso thatGreece couldn't pursue those it had discovered to have evaded tax for years, because a number if German tycoons and companies were involved.
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