(October 4, 2016 at 12:33 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(October 4, 2016 at 12:32 pm)RobertE Wrote: Unfortunately, this is showing ignorance. Arabs, Arab-jews, Christian to Arab converts, arabs and Arab Christians all use the name "Allah", since it is in Arabic. Other Christians call their deity "God", because it is part of the English language. Unfortunately, the most popular way to say "God", is by using the the latin version. Dieu, Deus, Déu, Dia, Dio, Dios etc etc etc.

Robert, if you think that Americans use the word "god" to refer to a non-specific deity, then you're the one showing your ignorance.

She showed her ignorance. Point bar!!!!

(October 4, 2016 at 12:34 pm)RobertE Wrote:

(October 4, 2016 at 12:31 pm)Rhythm Wrote: It's not the first time in thread the sentiments been offered.  Attempting to shame a group for their reaction to oppression by invoking the spirit of a man -assassinated- for his reaction to oppression...many decades after said oppression was -supposed- to have been made illegal...and as it continues to occur.  Go ahead, tell those darkies how they should be acting, tell them what it means to be a good boy, shame the shit out of them...and just to be thorough, bring up MLK.....you may not have pissed everyone off yet.  

These fuckers all read from the same scripts.

You are talking like I give a damn.

Actually I'm not...I know that you don't.  Ironically, that's precisely why we have this problem, here in the us..and it's great to see that we aren't the only ones.

(October 4, 2016 at 12:36 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(October 4, 2016 at 12:34 pm)RobertE Wrote: You are talking like I give a damn.

Actually I'm not...I know that you don't.  Ironically, that's precisely why we have this problem, here in the us..and it's great to see that we aren't the only ones.

I love wumming and to be honest, I am simply waiting for Panda to ban me. If you cannot see that......that way I can stop with the procrastination.

(October 3, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Aegon Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 2:25 pm)Drich Wrote: ahh, no.

to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion,

How is restricting the formal declaration of God and country not an impediment of the free exercise of religion?

Are you not petitioning congress to restrict how the practice of Christianity goes down, by mandating the removal of God in the pledge?

How in the fuck does the government maintaining separation of church and state by taking a phrase out of the pledge impeding on your free exercise of religion? How in the fuck does it restrict how anyone practices Christianity?

hey, moron!

If clinton says it is illegal for churchs to preach against abortion/Thou shalt not kill babies to their own congregations, then that is the state making laws concerning the church!

THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!!

(October 4, 2016 at 12:38 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 3:36 pm)Aegon Wrote: How in the fuck does the government maintaining separation of church and state by taking a phrase out of the pledge impeding on your free exercise of religion? How in the fuck does it restrict how anyone practices Christianity?

hey, moron!

If clinton says it is illegal for churchs to preach against abortion/Thou shalt not kill babies to their own congregations, then that is the state making laws concerning the church!

THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT!!!

Who the hell is making laws saying it's illegal for churches to preach against abortion?

(October 4, 2016 at 12:35 pm)Drich Wrote: I am not in love with the idea of trump, but we have to radically change if the US is to survive the popping of this next financial bubble.

I have far more faith in a business man to lead us out of a coming depression that will make the great depression look like a dry run. than I do of someone who's pledge spending is going to break this country.

Well, you go ahead and tell me when you find a businesman then.....lol?  

Quote:Obama has literally spent more money in his term than every single president before him COMBINED! And Clinton wants more of the same...

Obamas not running for president, and Hillary has her own policies, as flawed as we may find them.  There;s no need to invent and spread hyperbole in order to object to another President Clinton.  

Quote:Trump in the first 45 mins of the debate mentioned the new bubble created by the fed by keeping the intrest rate so low. if it simply goes back to 4% our nation's debt doubbles.. the debt Obama has already doubled in his 8 years.. So what is clinton's plan "tax the rich."

Well, we do have to pay what we owe, don't we?  The money has to come from somewhere, and taxing the poor is squeezing a stone for blood, at this point.  

Quote:So again, what do the rich do when they are unfairly taxed??? They Leave. (already had this conversation) Look at democrat controlled states and cites. Vermont, Detroit, Chicago are all examples of unchecked democratic policies that have nearly collapsed these places... If the demo-craps can figure out how to run a city or state what makes you think these policies will work on a nation scale???

Yep, capital flight is a thing, the flighty rich are scumbags........we already know this?  You;re not hoping to imply that -because- the flighty rich would do the scumbag thing, we shouldn't -try- to get them to pay their way..that we have to squeeze the already crushed poor because rich douchebags gotta douche....are you?

Quote:Not to mention the trade deals like nafta that has weakened this country to the point of perpetual poverty. I was in New Orleans this weekend and we just went by row after row of abandoned factories and warehouses.. it is sicking to see how much we as a country has lost in a once great hub of commerce.

Which isn't coming back, no matter who we elect.  We're not voting for a time machine, you realize?

Quote:4 more years of this will dig a hole so deep we wont be able to find our way out.

Yet you are willing to sell what's left of this country's core GDP money makers for a legislator who seeks enacts more godless laws.

No thanks tom hanks, I want to live in a great nation again.

What am I willing to do?  I'm not voting for either. I;d love to live in a great nation too (course, I think I do..MURICA!)...but I thought we were discussing trump and hillary, the election...not fantasyland?

(October 3, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Even the hillary supporters would be more accurately coined "anti-trump campaigners", by and large.  Find me someone, anyone, who thinks that either of these two candidates is the best of the best, the optimal choice in a see of potential?  I'll wait, lol. 

I have talked with several clinton supporters and to me it all seems to boil down to "I am not voting for trump because he says mean things..."

No one can seem to tell me politically what policy he supports that will be the end of america.

(October 3, 2016 at 3:59 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Regarding the course of this thread, am I the only one who thinks "law and order" is merely a dog whistle term actually meaning "put those uppity blacks back in their place?"

It's also a term that saved NYC from consuming itself in the 1990's It is a term that targeted crime despite color

(October 4, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Drich Wrote:

(October 3, 2016 at 3:40 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Even the hillary supporters would be more accurately coined "anti-trump campaigners", by and large.  Find me someone, anyone, who thinks that either of these two candidates is the best of the best, the optimal choice in a see of potential?  I'll wait, lol. 

I have talked with several clinton supporters and to me it all seems to boil down to "I am not voting for trump because he says mean things..."

No one can seem to tell me politically what policy he supports that will be the end of america.

Bold is mine.

That is pretty much what happened when Hollande got into power in France. It was a "rock" and a "hard place", situation. At the end of the day, when you have a left-wing president who at its lowest opinion poll was something like 13%, that tells you something about the direction France was and still is going in because of some rich left-winger who doesn't give a fuck about the people they are supposed to represent. As far as I'm concerned, the days of democrats/labour/Parti socialiste representing the "real", working people are long gone and they would prefer to support the middle classes.

(October 3, 2016 at 4:32 pm)Cecelia Wrote: This John Oliver segment explains it quite well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaD84DTGULo

seriously you want me to watch 20 minutes of this guy.. can't you sum up what he said or give me a time index of when to start and stop watching?