RE: Question for deists: why is there a Creator?
June 2, 2011 at 8:59 am
(This post was last modified: June 2, 2011 at 9:05 am by reverendjeremiah.)
(May 31, 2011 at 12:55 pm)Zenith Wrote:(May 30, 2011 at 3:26 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: I dont bug deists about their beliefs. I get along great with deists as compared to fundy Christians.
I dont mind Deists, Budhists, and the really cool christians who are easy going. Sometimes the Pagans are pretty cool as well.
I dont bug them with questions, because I prefer their friendship instead.
Its those fundies I cant stand. Unitarians I can get along with. Southern Baptists (I grew up as one) grate my nerves and deserve to be mocked.
Just curios... what is a fundy to you? what are the things you hate about them?
As about me, for some reasons I prefer the word "fanatic", and I can't stand those who can't talk about anything but religion and God, and can't talk to a man without trying to convert him to their own beliefs. As about the laymen - most of them never reading their bible, or if they did, they are not able to use it to bring an argument - they are very annoying as they don't know almost anything of what's written in it but act as if they know everything in this world - and whatever they say is what their preachers told them. Those that did study much, on the other hand, come with authority and a very strong confidence in themselves, also trying to impose things on others, believing their own words to be divine or something... (which is also very annoying)
Tack Attack (someone I find myself classifying more and more as the days go by as one of the cool christians) made a great post on it in another thread. I hope he doesnt mind me posting it here:
(June 2, 2011 at 2:31 am)tackattack Wrote: The typical definition of fundie around here is usually -
Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to a set of basic principles (often religious in nature), sometimes as a reaction to perceived doctrinal compromises with modern social and political life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_fundamentalism
A set of religious beliefs based on a literal interpretation of the Bible and regarded as fundamental to Christian faith and morals; a 20th century movement among some Protestant sects in the United States.
http://asn.am/classes/standards/terms/r/r.php
-quoted from wiki
And also usually involves people not changing a particular belief or ideal despite mounds of evidence to the contrary, in effect denying evidence.
(May 31, 2011 at 9:44 pm)Eternity Wrote: Because following a infinite regress of Creators is illogical. That and a universe such as the one we are in couldn't have come at a spontanious random. The odds of it all occurring are near impossible.
But your creator, being infinitely more complex than this complex universe, you give a pass to and say "he always existed". Surely if a complexity is "evidence" of a creation, then your god is the biggest evidence that such a God needed an even MORE complex creator to make him...and a more complex creator to create that complex creator..ad infinitum..ad absurdum.
Sorry, but you have actually made a WORSE infinite regression in the name of avoiding an infinite regression.
Show me the odds..and show me proof that spontenaity (sp) actually had anything to do with a godless or god founded universe.
IF your God is all perfect, then why change anything..why create a universe? Sounds like his creating a universe was spontaneous to me..and also an imperfect act...how do you add to perfection anyways? Seeing that before the creation the only thing that existed was God, and he is supposed to be perfect. So hence, before creation, the only thing that existed was perfection. ..so why change that?
