(June 2, 2011 at 8:59 am)reverendjeremiah Wrote: But your creator, being infinitely more complex than this complex universe, you give a pass to and say "he always existed". Surely if a complexity is "evidence" of a creation, then your god is the biggest evidence that such a God needed an even MORE complex creator to make him...and a more complex creator to create that complex creator..ad infinitum..ad absurdum.
Sorry, but you have actually made a WORSE infinite regression in the name of avoiding an infinite regression.
Show me the odds..and show me proof that spontenaity (sp) actually had anything to do with a godless or god founded universe.
IF your God is all perfect, then why change anything..why create a universe? Sounds like his creating a universe was spontaneous to me..and also an imperfect act...how do you add to perfection anyways? Seeing that before the creation the only thing that existed was God, and he is supposed to be perfect. So hence, before creation, the only thing that existed was perfection. ..so why change that?
Why do I say God has always existed? Because the thought of something having always existing is more comprehendable then having a infinite regress. Now could there be infinite creators each creating the other? Sure, but then I can't see how any of which see came to be. Less you can give me direction to that information. Yeah I'm sure you can attach the "Always existing" to the universe as well it would makes sense in a way. I necessarily wouldn't agree with it as most people agree with the Big Bang having started the universe in which we are in. Why create the universe? I don't know I couldn't possibly answer that question for you. Also I disagree with your notion that god creating humans makes him imperfect. If I were to create a stack "perfect" stack of blocks in which they do not tip over I could. But I could also easily make one that has no chance of standing still and is horrible made. I have both options. Your suggesting that since God created us "imperfections" it some how means he isn't "perfect". Besides making the world perfect wouldn't be the ideal life for some of us. Not to mention how would it differ from the place God wants us to be heaven?
