(October 27, 2016 at 5:30 am)Mariosep Wrote: Here is my proof for the nose in our face, I will reproduce it from my earlier post:
- Mariosep #204 http://atheistforums.org/thread-45866-po...pid1426743 [See text in bold]. Dear colleagues here, I fear that this thread could be locked up when the posts here are getting into irrelevancies and flippancies. So, as Asmodee has not yet reported here, I will pursue my purpose here which is to get your comments on my proof for the existence of God. May I request that we all take up with an academic mood by which if we were in an academic environment we would take care to think as to deliver our thoughts without showing signs of irrelevancies and flippancies - that is a most enticing temptation afforded by the anonymity of the internet. So, may I request that we go into the work to think up what it is to prove that something exists in objective reality of existence outside of concepts in our mind, and independent of our mind? First, for myself, even to prove the existence of the nose in our face is difficult already, though everyone with a nose, that includes everyone here I dare presume, knows for a certainty that the nose exists in our face; still to think on how to prove it with concepts and words and statements made up of words and redact that all in clear concise and precise language, that is not a simple and quick act. Anyway, will you concur with me that in the case of things like the nose in our face, the best and most reliable proof consists in you and me touching each one our respective nose and then the nose of everyone else? At this point there will always be someone who insists that he is not sure he exists in objective reality of existence, much less his nose if any at all, how do we dare with him?
So, dear colleague LadyForCamus, it is the easiest thing to do in the world, saying no proof, no proof, no proof... but do you know what it is and how to prove something to exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind, and redact the proof in writing. step by step in clear simple concise and precise words?
Wow, You write an OP that claims you have proof of god ...
"This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?"
.....and then think it is difficult to prove the nose on your own face. You may have a smidgen of skepticism but it certainly is not honed to a razors edge.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!