RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
October 31, 2016 at 3:37 am
(This post was last modified: October 31, 2016 at 3:38 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(October 30, 2016 at 5:04 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Addressing Mathilda: it seems that you are quite active here recently, so I will reproduce my OP, and you tell me just one thing only per post what is wrong with my proof for God existing.
Please do not insist that you have already said what is or are wrong with my proof, for it is possible that you could have better things to say now on what is or are wrong with my proof for God exists, but just limit it to one thing wrong per post.
I propose that you focus on causation, because you just bring up first cause and asking me what about the cause of the first cause.
How can any human person know what is proof by evidence when it comes to God existing - here goes: in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, when he does not master the phenomenon of causation which is one of the components of existence.
Tell you what, dear atheist colleague, Mathilda, think about this statement from yours truly:
"The default status of things in the totality of reality is existence."
When you think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas from your purest reasoning faculty and intelligence, it will be like Eureka from Archimedes: God exists!!! In concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning!!!
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(October 24, 2016 at 5:27 am)Mariosep Wrote: This is my proof for God existing.
1. Formulate the information of the concept of God, thus:
"God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning."
2. Look for instances of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
3. We find countless examples of causation in reality outside of concepts in our mind.
4. From the countless instances of causation in reality, we infer to the existence of a first and ultimate cause.
5. We find that the first and ultimate cause of all instances of causation in reality corresponds to our information on the concept of God, namely, the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
6. Conclusion: God exists in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
What do you think about my proof for the existence of God?
Already answered on page 1 and you ignored it.
(October 24, 2016 at 6:24 am)Mathilda Wrote: Your entire argument relies on the equivocation of the word 'cause'. The example I use is to ask what causes a hammer to exist? when a handle and head are put together? Or when a tree is cut down and carved to create a handle and the Earth is mined for ore to melt down and make the head? Or when a seed is planted and the atoms that make the metal are created in the nucleus of a sun?
There is no cause. There are just atoms being rearranged into different states due to the flow of energy. Causation is a concept that we humans use to describe something in simple terms. You're using this concept out of scope.
And why is it that theists always talk in terms of 'proofs' ?
