(December 2, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 2, 2016 at 1:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But not everyone in the hierarchy is involved either.
How many went to the police when they heard of the priestly depredations? That's right -- none. All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing. If you know of crimes being committed and don't take action to stop them, are you not party to those crimes?
Of course not everyone in the hierarchy was involved in molesting child -- but read this and tell me that Francis's predecessor not only knew of the depredations as a Cardinal, he took active steps to shield those molesters.
(December 2, 2016 at 1:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Because it isn't part of the Catholic faith to believe that priests, bishops, cardinals, and popes are without sin. If I still believe in the dogmatic teachings of the Church, there's no reason why I should stop being a Catholic due to the crimes of some of its important people.
So you don't have a problem financially supporting an institution that even today is shielding molesters from justice?
You're looking at it through the prism of doctrine. I'm looking at it from the prism of what it is I will and won't support. I refuse to support any organization which shields criminals from justice, and that includes financial support.
First quote: I would consider the people who knew about someone molesting a kid and doing nothing, or actively covering up, as someone who is involved. But again, not every priest, bishop, cardinal, or pope was involved in that. Very few were.
Second quote: I can't account for every person who works for the Church, and I certainly know there are bad seeds among them as there are bad seeds everywhere and among every group. But I can say that we are much bigger than the extremely relatively few individuals who are bad people and use their influence for bad things. I do give money to the local Church I go to. About 30% of that money goes to charities, and the remaining majority mostly goes to that church itself. Since attending Church service is free of charge, the majority of the donated money given by us parishioners pays the employees and upkeep of the place.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh