(January 4, 2017 at 6:04 pm)Drich Wrote:(January 4, 2017 at 4:30 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You have to see how tautological that is, Drich. If he gets to set the rules of what's perfect, of course he's going to say that he's perfect.
now don't turn off that light bulb yet.. leave it on long enough so you can see, that is how every measure of perfection is established. The ultimate authority on a given subject sets the measure how they see fit.
(January 4, 2017 at 4:50 pm)Emjay Wrote: Okay, I understand what you mean by divine standard; the rules reflect what he is.YES!!! The rules reflect who God is!
Quote:So how does the Ten Commandments fit into this as compared to the tree of knowledge and good and evil? That's what I was talking about by rules of sin that his creations have to abide by.They serve only ONE purpose. To show us we will never be like God according to the rules/how hard we work at being like God.
So then the rules/law push us to seek another form of righteousness (other than being found righteous by the rules) The form is called atonement. Where someone righteous by the rules gives us his righteousness and takes on our sins and is punished for it. So we may stand before God as He could stand before God. Without sin/perfect.
(January 4, 2017 at 5:01 pm)Astonished Wrote: When you boil it all down, the Ten Commandments, among other rules, are really only a way for the god character to forbid man from getting too big for his britches. "Hey, why'd you kill those people and take all their stuff? I didn't tell you to do that (this time)?" It's so they don't start to feel like they have all the power and have no need for god, and take that power away from the clergy and whoever made up the stories in the first place. Just another control mechanism, but with a slightly more sinister bent than is traditionally proposed by guys like George Carlin.
The whole NT pushes past the 'rules' for our ultimate righteousness. God without religion is freedom from the law. Religion is being bound by some form of religious law or another.
Being an arrogant twat is not perfection. Ergo god is not perfect.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
