Trump's Muslim immigration ban includes green card holders

[Iroscato]

I'm not putting any opinions forward here because I admit I know little about American politics.  So I am genuinely asking this as a question not a rhetorical question.

But isn't this what America has always done?

Hasn't every single president or wannabe president (Hilary Clinton) either spoke about or directly ordered the bombing or military intervention against places like Libya, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Iran and so on.  While at the same time ignoring Turkey the Saudis and Egypt.

Obviously there's other countries with higher populations of Muslims too, Pakistan, Indonesia.

The countries on the list have weak national governments and they are infested with ISIS.  The US doesn't have the capability to do detailed investigations of visa applicants in those countries to determine if potential visitors have terrorist ties.  The countries not on the list have better national infrastructure in place to determine if visa applicants have terrorist ties.  

The ban bars people also bans people from the 38 Visa Waiver Program countries if they have been to one of those countries unless they have a visa.  IOW, a person from England can't go to Yemen and then back to England and then to the US unless he gets a US visa.  

Of course the reason why those countries have weak governments is because of American and European interference in their domestic affairs. But that's beside the point.  Just be aware that if other countries, such as England, France, Germany, Canada don't play by our rules they will also be placed on the list.

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The Obama administration came up with the list as "countries of concern".

Trump is now trying to blame Obama by saying he came up with the list.

I call bullshit on that because while Obama came up with the list, he never imposed any immigration restrictions of the level that Trump has now. This is on Trump and we shouldn't let him pass the buck.

Trump didn't impose a permanent ban.  It's temporary until we come up with a better system.  Consider it like a shop being closed for remodeling or being temporarily out of stock on certain items.  The intent is to provide the best customer service possible so he's suspending certain operations until he gets a better system in place.

Sure, except we're talking about thousands of lives being uprooted for no good reason and a legal entanglement shitstorm that will have untold ramifications instead of a few mildly inconvenienced customers. Yet again, you show your astonishing lack of empathy, not to mention utter failure to grasp reality.


Oh noes! I insulted you again!