RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God
March 9, 2017 at 8:31 pm
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2017 at 8:44 pm by AceBoogie.)
So, just like every other Christian I've encountered RoadRunner is going to continue to insist that denying a claim is the same as making a claim, therefore shifting the burden of proof from the theist to the atheist. Jesus fucking christ it's like talking to a brick wall with these people.
It's up to you to explain why your beliefs make sense and hold up in natural world against other preexisting explanations of different phenomena. It is not up to me to explain to every tom, dick and harry why belief in magical sky gods doesn't make sense. That's not how the world of science works.
If a biologist comes up with some new idea on how cells operate in the human body, it is up to that scientist to prove to everyone else in his or her field exactly WHY this idea makes sense, if said scientist wants to be taken seriously by anyone. You can't just publish a paper saying, "Cells X, Y and Z do actions A and B because I said so, prove me wrong or accept this as the ultimate truth"... This biologist would be laughed out of any serious scientific community/circle.
Your complete lack of understanding of how we as humans attempt to explain the world around us unfortunately does not surprise me.
In what other area of life do we operate in that way? By saying, "prove me wrong, or I'm right"? Where else do we do that? Maybe if we search the annals of our elementary and preschools we will find this type of rhetoric. But in the real, adult, grown up world, we have to provide reasoning for our explanations of how things work. And what is the proposal of god if not an attempt to explain how things work?
We, as atheists, deny your claims, whether this action is neutral or active, because theists, as a whole, have failed to provide a sufficient explanation for their beliefs. Until we are presented with a proper explanation, we will continue to deny your claims. Quit muddying the waters with nonsense... neutral action this and active action that... just explain your beliefs or go away. Because the version of events I've been given up to this point sounds like a complete fucking fairy tale.
It's up to you to explain why your beliefs make sense and hold up in natural world against other preexisting explanations of different phenomena. It is not up to me to explain to every tom, dick and harry why belief in magical sky gods doesn't make sense. That's not how the world of science works.
If a biologist comes up with some new idea on how cells operate in the human body, it is up to that scientist to prove to everyone else in his or her field exactly WHY this idea makes sense, if said scientist wants to be taken seriously by anyone. You can't just publish a paper saying, "Cells X, Y and Z do actions A and B because I said so, prove me wrong or accept this as the ultimate truth"... This biologist would be laughed out of any serious scientific community/circle.
Your complete lack of understanding of how we as humans attempt to explain the world around us unfortunately does not surprise me.
In what other area of life do we operate in that way? By saying, "prove me wrong, or I'm right"? Where else do we do that? Maybe if we search the annals of our elementary and preschools we will find this type of rhetoric. But in the real, adult, grown up world, we have to provide reasoning for our explanations of how things work. And what is the proposal of god if not an attempt to explain how things work?
We, as atheists, deny your claims, whether this action is neutral or active, because theists, as a whole, have failed to provide a sufficient explanation for their beliefs. Until we are presented with a proper explanation, we will continue to deny your claims. Quit muddying the waters with nonsense... neutral action this and active action that... just explain your beliefs or go away. Because the version of events I've been given up to this point sounds like a complete fucking fairy tale.
“Love is the only bow on Life’s dark cloud. It is the morning and the evening star. It shines upon the babe, and sheds its radiance on the quiet tomb. It is the mother of art, inspirer of poet, patriot and philosopher.
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
