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Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God
(March 10, 2017 at 9:56 pm)irontiger Wrote: You can not establish the conditions to prove the existence of something which can totally subjective to you.  In your mind there is no Deity because you already pre-decided the conditions of what deity is or is not however, the deity can be totally different in its characteristics and not fit your conditions.  Therefore you always continue to deny its existence because it does not meet your conditions which you establish yourself.  If I tell you that this universe is God, it will not meet your conditions and therefore you would deny it.  What you are looking for is a miracle.

This argument just doesn't work because you can replace god with anything on the grounds of it being subjective.

However, existence is an objective phenomenon. By objective I mean not subjective; that is, not contingent upon any one mind. We can demonstrate that something is objective if we can verify it with material evidence, and the results are consistent. Claiming something exists "subjectively" is meaningless because that to me is equivalent of saying "it's a figment of my imagination".

Sure, in the end whatever I perceive is indeed subjective; at the extreme end I cannot prove that I am not a brain in a vat. However, I have to make some presuppositions about logic/reason and the general nature of the world in order to even know and learn anything. These presuppositions continue to produce effective results in knowledge acquisition and there seems to be no known better way, so I have no reason to think I might be wrong, even though I cannot prove that I am not.
"Faith is the excuse people give when they have no evidence."
  - Matt Dillahunty.



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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by AceBoogie - March 8, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by Minimalist - March 8, 2017 at 11:09 pm
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by Nonpareil - March 10, 2017 at 1:01 am
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by SteveII - March 10, 2017 at 4:42 pm
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by AceBoogie - March 10, 2017 at 11:06 am
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by Minimalist - March 10, 2017 at 1:50 am
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RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God - by Jesster - March 11, 2017 at 9:03 pm
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