RE: Neil DeGrasse Tyson on Disproving God
March 11, 2017 at 7:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2017 at 7:33 pm by comet.)
(March 11, 2017 at 7:04 pm)Jesster Wrote:(March 11, 2017 at 6:59 pm)comet Wrote: it doesn't matter what you accept or not, that's what Neil means. You can believe what you want, it doesn't affect the science. the science points to this planet being part of the universe and not separated in any way. that means, what traits we have the universe must have. I can go into levels and levels of "facts", but if your anti-religion then they don't matter and will be dismissed. What you (or possibly me and neil) don't know, doesn't effect that.
I say, "Don't believe me, go learn more." Its useless talking about science with non science people. Thats what Neil means too. He means, try and be honest with ourselves too, if we don't know why would we go running around denying claims based on a belief, like, "lack belief in anything".
So you are fine with being alone in your beliefs. Cool. Why post them here trying to convince others then? Also, the scientific consensus does not support your claims, so stop acting like it does. You also haven't listed a single fact that backs up your claims, so stop using that word until you do. It seems like you are the one ignoring Neil here.
I'm also not "anti-religion". I just don't believe unsupported claims, religious or not. Your claims fall into this category so far. "Lack of belief" is also not a belief. It's withholding belief until there is reason to believe.
Based on your comment of 'baseless claim", I don't think you have enough understanding to claim "baseless claim". That's what Neil means too. But let me play along like you do. lets do a measurement. A crude one to be sure, but look up the definition of measurement. That way we are on the same page.
Compare the interactions of the biosphere to things we classify as non-life, viruses, and life.
What does it match the best to?
(March 11, 2017 at 7:24 pm)Jesster Wrote:(March 11, 2017 at 7:20 pm)Nonpareil Wrote: Yes, there is.
The universe is not an organism. It is not alive.
It also may be useful to state what the universe is. A good working definition in the context we seem to be discussing is "the set of all things that exist". So far we know that the universe contains life. Containing something does not mean you share those properties as a whole, though.
For example:
My sandwich contains a slice of pickle. That does not make my sandwich a slice a pickle.
But it does mean your sandwich has, in parts, traits of a pickle. the pickle is part of a larger system that we classify as a sandwich. the pickle is part of something 'more" and may not "believe" its part of a more complex "sandwich".
again, as per neil, it doesn't matter what the pickle believes, it is part of what we classify as a sandwich. That's "how the universe works".
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity