(March 13, 2017 at 6:54 pm)ma5t3r0fpupp3t5 Wrote: This is why out of all gods, the Biblical God is probably one of the least likely of gods to be true.
Belief in such a god entails that reason, evidence and logic all get tossed out the window. [1] Theist's justification? Because He is "special". Why is he special? Because he's God. It's all a bunch of circular logic and special pleading. [2]
When a belief is relentlessly instilled into someone from the moment they are born, he/she perceives, what are demonstrably the best tools (reason, evidence, logic) in acquiring knowledge about our universe, as being enemies of God. Out of fear and social pressure, theists simply lean on the side of God. [3] A god whose basic existence hasn't been demonstrated. [4]
Belief in the Biblical God is not knowledge. It limits knowledge. [5]
(March 13, 2017 at 5:03 pm)SteveII Wrote: It seems you have built up a straw man (your caricature of a god no one believes in) and coupled it with another straw man (your caricature of Christian who think as you proposes) -- so your arguments/reasons seem successful. I don't think you could fit any more nonsense into a post that length.
It's not a strawman when so many theists (not only Christians, I used their god only as an example) don't believe in evolution and indeed base a large amount of their worldview on scripture. [6]
I'm addressing theists on the more fundamentalist side [7], not necessarily all theists, but that is still a large portion of theists overall. You are misrepresenting the point of my post.
No, I got the point of your post. I'm just saying that are wrong on many levels.
1. None of the three things follows from "Belief in God". So, you either don't know what you are talking about or you are intentionally describing an extreme to make your point sound better. Either way, straw man.
2. I'm starting to think it is 'you don't know what you are talking about'.
3. I have a defeater for that logic - tens of millions of adult conversions to Christianity each year.
4. I think that the existence of God has been demonstrated. All you can say it that you are not convinced by the evidence. You don't have any other warrant to make a claim than that.
5. That's quite a loaded statement. How so?
6. I believe in various parts of evolutionary theory. I don't think common decent has been anywhere near proven. Perhaps buried in your assertions is the unwarranted belief that all (or even a majority) of Christians are YEC. Either way, this does not in any way support your overall premise.
7. You think fundamentalist are a large portion of theists? Setting aside that you are wrong, how do you define fundamentalist Christians and what is the major problem with movement?
