(March 17, 2017 at 12:10 pm)SteveII Wrote:(March 17, 2017 at 11:10 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: But none of it is testable, supportive evidence for your god or the veracity of the bible.[1] The NT may be evidence of people writing a book,[2] but is not testable, supporting evidence that what is says is fact [3]. It's the same for every other piece of "evidence" that has been claimed by believers. [4] And why is evidence so important to you anyway? I thought faith was enough. [5]
1. Testable? Since when is analysis of historical evidence ever been testable? That is something made up by atheists just for this particular topic and its called special pleading.
I would say analysis is testing. Looking for outside corroboration, etc.
2. Regarding your comment "writing a book" -- are you not aware we are talking about 27 different documents--plus the additional evidence that comes to light from the books/letters themselves (that I outlined a couple of posts back)?
So, books.
3. The evidence I presented are facts (or tell me which one's you don't think are true) --that's what makes them evidence.
None of it is evidence for the existance of your god; just that people believed it.
4. The evidence is overwhelming that contemporaneous people believed the events cataloged and discussed at length in the NT. What other category of evidence could there be?
Objective, testable evidence? Wow, this is evidence that PEOPLE BELIEVED SOMETHING!!! Big deal.
5. That glib comment just illustrates that you don't know much about what it is you criticize.
And, of course, I can't KNOW anything about what I'm talking about if I don't agree with you, right?
Of course, your position might be that everything about the NT was made up as part of a conspiracy so none of it is evidence of anything. Is that your position? If so, can you lay out your arguments for that conclusion?
There you go, putting words in my mouth. Why don't YOU lay the arguments out, as I have no idea what you're talking about.
I could have written the second sentence better:
Evidence for this claim are the people and events surrounding the life of Jesus that the authors wrote about.
And that is evidence that something was written about someone named Jesus a long time ago.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam