(April 7, 2017 at 11:13 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:You are right, well, we can just say "value is not meaningless" and then 8b would follow.(April 4, 2017 at 9:54 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Deception of ourselves and our knowledge of our false idol proves God.
1. Worship is what is valued most.
2. Each person tends to value themselves the most.
3. No person believes others ought to value them the most.
4. We are in double think where we value ourselves as number one but don't believe others ought to value ourselves the most.
5. Each person committed to valuing themselves the most thus creates a false belief, they don't truly believe they should be valued most and hence are believing and acting to lie.
6. Therefore we are false gods.
7. This suggests there is something we should value the most that is not us and that everything should value the most as well.
8. That being is that which out to be valued the most by us and by all (God).
Okay, MK, I’ve been defending you on other threads on the assumption that the diction of your arguments seem to reflect a different cultural perspective. I have said that you should be taken seriously and not ridiculed based on cultural prejudice. So I’m going to follow my own advice and try to translate your argument into the nomenclature of Western philosophy and see if I am right. So here I go:
1. In order from there to be values, something must have the highest value.
2. An individual’s life is his highest value.
3. Not everyone’s life can have the truly highest value.
4. Therefore an individual cannot believe another’s life is more valuable than his own.
5. Therefore an individual must believe either( a) the value of his life is higher that everyone else’s or (b) all lives have equal value.
6. No individual truly believes (a), i.e. he is lying to himself (making himself a false god)
7. If the individual believes (b) all lives have equal value, then he cannot accept Premise 1.
So either...
8a. There idea of relative value is meaningless.
Or...
8b. There is something of higher value than any particular human life.
Since either 8a or 8b could be a valid conclusion, I do not consider this an argument in favor of God; but rather, the revealing of an existential choice. Someone can be justified in believing either, but the one he or she chooses expresses something about who they are and what they actually believe.
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The false self and our knowledge of it's deception proves God.
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