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...And then there are the days He is silent.
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RE: ...And then there are the days He is silent.
(April 19, 2017 at 7:57 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(April 18, 2017 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: Here's the question you should ask... If you had an incomplete idea of God (no matter where it came from) why would God support it? because if God supported a bad idea of him then you would think that bad version of God to be accurate. Rather God sets a standard of Himself and we must A/S/K to find it when we do, we find God. God genuinely shows up. You will know it is God because he brings understand that you truly have no knowledge of. It can be like being uploaded 'kung fu' on the matrix.

Where would we get this "incomplete" idea of god?  Where else?  The bible and his followers. 
Actually no.
Believe it or not not all religions used the bible as a strict guideline to what they doctrinally follow.

As I've pointed out in the past if a doctrine is a patch work compilation of cherry pick 1/2 verses then it's not a biblical precept it is not a bible based/fonded doctrine. it gives a false idea about God. How ever when a precept or revelation is found all in one chapter or even if there is a whole book dedicated to it. Then that is a sound doctrine and gives a solid picture of God.

Specific example a couple weeks back we were talking about original sin and I asked for book chapter and verse that sets fourth/defines this doctrine. I got a list of literally verse scraps. meaning verses of scripture that were cut in half so as to change what the verse originally intended in order for that doctrine to be validated.

So then if you go before God with this bad doctrine under your wing and start worshiping God through this doctrine (and He does not want this) Then why would he reachout to you through your bad doctrine?

Rather the oppsite according to Christ is set to happen. God sends the winds and rains to all of us. to test our faith our doctrines. To make you lean n them in a time of need to help you see if what you believe/Your version of God is legit. When you blast though a trial and get nothing... that means your foundation is bad/You did not build you faith/belief on an accurate picture of Christ.
Quote:And how many different (dare I say incomplete) ideas of your god are floated around by those who have done the A/S/K? a pantload.
None that are not tested by us and by God. Again here with the A/S/K 'pant load' we look to see if it is a contextual teaching. It is fond in luke 11 right after the Lord's prayer, and contextually takes up the rest of the chapter. So then it passes the exegetical test. The next test is brought on by God Himself. In that if you have a 1/2 ass version of God He will send the wind and rain to pummel that idea first. Then most likly in your contiued seeking and knocking you will indeed comes across some teaching the truth as it is laid out in the bible. when you do, simply plant your mustard seeds worth of faith in What the God of the bible tell you to do and you will literally be able to remove all doubt.

Now that said. Peple can find enough God/salvation in some of these other religions. But what I am talking about is so much more than just salvation. I am trying to share how to have a deep and meaningful relationship with God.

Quote:  How many have sincerely wanted to believe, but god didn't show up?  Plenty more.
  But how many would only do so/believe on thier specific terms? (God must be a catholic God must be a baptist ect) If God is neither why would he show up? would it not then cement in the believer's heart who say God must be baptist, if he showed up at a meeting?

Again why would God do that is that is the last thing He wants? God is not about religion, he is seeking personal relationships. why else pour out the holy Spirit in acts 2 inorder to directly commune with individuals, rather than having to go through a presit or anyone else?

Quote:If your god loves us so much
That's the thing sport, He doesn't. He loved the world to give His son/meaning everyone an equal chance at redemption, but for those who choose not to accept it, there is no love. God has already explained to us in the parable of the weeds.. that not all that 'grow in this field' belong to him. A great deal belong to satan. Do you really think God loves a child of satan/Someone He knows will never change? As He does someone who does indeed change?
Quote: it's pretty strange that he would ignore someone with an "incomplete" idea of him (after all, they must be acknowledging his existence) without setting them straight. 
Never heard of the rich young ruler?
In short this rich young man comes to Christ and pledges Himself to the cause and askes what must I do to have eternal life?? Jesus turns to Him and says sell everything you have, give it all to the poor and come and follow me. The rich young man simply turned and left because He could not do what Christ asked.

Now tell me this rich guy didn't have the wrong idea of Christ.. Now tell me Christ did not simply let the kid go because he did not follow what God instructed the boy to do.

We have been given one charge that is to Ask Seek and Knock till we find the Holy Spirit. Not A/S/K till God becomes what we are looking for. That is your idea of God. He is everything to everyone. If I were making up a god to worship that sounds like a pretty stable/safe platform to build a religion..

But what if it is deeper than that, and God is indeed a unique and set apart entity that has given us the command to find him? Would he then except anything less?


Quote: Doesn't seem to be really interested in how sincere someone feels,
Your right sincerity is not a big part of the equation, another big difference bewteen your version of god and the God of the bible. Albeit I firmly thing you can secure your salvation with sincereity/faith alone, as it says in scripture, but when it comes to relationship, you are required to dig deeper.

Quote:or the fact that any info on him is contradictory,
like what? what has religion told you that does not make sense?

Quote: but more like toeing the line on little details to see if you pass muster.  But I'm sure god has told you that I am wrong.  It sounds more like people rationalizing their emotional beliefs.
It's not about toeing the line either. It's simply about following 3 little commands Ask about God, Seek Him and keep doing so till you find Him.
If you can do this it will push you through all the false info you have adopted eventually. and help you start building a correct picture of God. Once you can see or rather once you properly understand who and what God is, Your eye and ears will be open. I'll promise you you see Him in things people do say and have been telling you. If you keep seeking then he will begin to reach out. This manifests in different ways depending on your gifts...


(April 18, 2017 at 3:23 pm)Drich Wrote: It's not the reason why that is compelling, it's the fact that someone who lived 2000 years ago was sent forward to record what he saw, and it is proving out to be accurate.

It's like just because you know how a watch is made does not mean their isn't a watch maker.

Do you understand??

Knowing how God does something does not mean God isn't responsible. or in this case knowing why there are more natural disasters doesn't mean God did not have someone record what he saw and had him describe it the best he could.

Quote:Yeah, because there are no other books from 2000 years ago describing what the authors saw. Please.
Maybe you oughta google the book of revelation. late first to early 2nd century is when we can date the oldest manuscripts. I think you are thinking about what has been said about the gospels.

Quote:No one who knows how a watch is made thinks there is no watchmaker.  That's just stupid.  I do understand.  It's just not what you want me to understand.  Because what you want me to understand makes no sense,
what doesn't make sense?

(April 19, 2017 at 10:12 am)Faith No More Wrote: Good stuff happens - "It's proof of god!."

Bad stuff happens - "He's just testing me..."

Unfalsifiable claims FTW!

(Mental Note:  It's time to get my three year-old to give up his blankie.)

didn't really uderstand the test part huh?

That's ok God did make us all... "the same."

Im being tested, and in my OP I have called out how and when He will deliver me. Now if what I know is true/Sound, then he will deliver me from the test on those terms.

Like at the end of the OP I told you as soon as I started to write this thread out I got a phone call, that set a series of evens in motion that bought me more time and documented pledge to buy one of my trucks I needed to sell.

That is how I knew I needed to finish and keep this thread up dated.

I have argued till I've been blue in the face and I still don't think you all get it. How your faiths failed/why. So I was prompted to show you my own example of what God is sending the wind and rain to me.

Now again if what I know is correct God will come though as I predicted, and f not then I must look at the situation as outlined in the op and if it is doctrinally sound then I must try and rebuild what it was I thought I knew, if It was not doctrinally sound or if we were in sin or sin Got us to where we are then I must cut loose this idea and our house.

IDK seem falsifiable to me.
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Messages In This Thread
...And then there are the days He is silent. - by Drich - April 18, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: ...And then there are the days He is silent. - by Drich - April 20, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: ...And then there are the days He is silent. - by Isis - April 19, 2017 at 10:15 am

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