RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 17, 2017 at 12:49 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2017 at 12:59 pm by Whateverist.)
(May 17, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Aroura Wrote: Atheists have a wide range of beliefs and ideas, herding cats. Lol
Yeah, if I'm getting herded there is very likely some pussy in it.
(May 17, 2017 at 12:06 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 11:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: This goes here somewhere....
behavior is a consequence of both factors within the individual's control, as well as a large measure of factors totally outside their control
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This, thanks Jor, couldn't have said it better.
I agree. However, this is where the determined determinist is likely to answer - yes but but those factors inside their control were put there by factors outside their control in the past. So the illusion of internal control is just delayed external control. To which I go look at some flowers or start tidying up the kitchen.
(May 17, 2017 at 12:20 pm)Aroura Wrote:Well of course I stated I was down with free will (in some wholesome, watered down version). What choice did I have?(May 17, 2017 at 11:07 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Haha, true but I've started a few threads in the past that took the direction of touching on both of those things. I guess it is still true that most here do think morality is subjective, though only a few don't believe we have free will.
You are basing an observation off a really small sample. Many people even in this very thread haven't stated their position. I actually only see 2 non-theists who have stated they believe in free-will in this thread. The rest have stated determinism or have not said either way.
