(June 1, 2017 at 9:48 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: What's sick about that whole thing to me is that a couple of my old friends supported that bullshit one was actually considering joining them.
Try being related to this kind of person.
Update on the Portland protests this weekend:
14 arrested as the many extremes of Portland collide in protest
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/04/us/portlan...index.html
From the CNN video in the link:
"Joey Gibson was the organizer of this [rally]. He said he wanted everybody to love each other, he said it's okay to be Christian in America, and he said he also wanted both sides, he said he wanted the far right to denounce anybody who is racist and he wanted the far left to say if someone is being violent or ultra communist or whatever they should denounce that. In a way he was calling for peace on both sides."
(1) It has ALWAYS been acceptable - dare I say encouraged - for people to be Christian in America. This guy has his wires crossed here.
(2) Not all racists are on the far right.
(3) Not all violent or violence-causing people are on the far left.
This guy should start by not oversimplifying the situation.
From another article on the event and Joey Gibson:
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/04/531485455/...ing-groups
"Gibson told [the reporter] that he attended the Republican National Convention last year, became an activist after that and decided that conservatives, libertarians, the alt-right, that they need a street presence that can really match protesters on the left.
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Portland is one of the West Coast's most liberal cities. But the murders last week really changed the atmosphere here. The suspect in the murders had attended Gibson's last rally. And during his arraignment this week, he sort of parroted language that the alt-right uses shouting free speech or die and death to anti-fascists. And so that made this particularly sensitive. And then on the flip side, people on the right said, why can't we have a pro-Donald Trump rally in Portland? And the efforts to suppress this just prove our point about how our speech isn't welcome.
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[When asked if it was a pro-Trump rally or anti-other-people rally]
There are some people who sounds like they're speaking in coded language about American values and who's American. And there are some large signs that say things like, if you're here illegally, go back home, so arguably, against other people. But I've also met, you know, some grandmothers who just say they're here because they're fans of Donald Trump. And I even met one young gay man who is in the pro-Trump group..."
Wheeler did not help calm the situation when he tried to get the permits for this march cancelled. The pro-Trump people have the right to gather and did it in the right way (getting the permits and needed permissions, etc.). There's nothing wrong with people supporting their chosen political figures (even if I personally find the figure revolting in every conceivable way) and there's nothing wrong with people counter-protesting. There IS something wrong with anyone at those protests turning violent for any reason, and there IS something wrong with the mayor trying to get one side's right to gather revoked. It was very insensitive to hold this rally so soon after the MAX train attack, but that is the fault of the organizers deciding to go forward with the event, it wasn't Wheeler's place to get them shut down.
In related news to the stabbing victims from the MAX train:
Man removed MAX victim's wedding ring as he lay dying, police say
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index...ax_vi.html
The guy who stole the stabbing victim's wedding ring and backpack has been found and arrested.
Teenaged X-Files obsession + Bermuda Triangle episode + Self-led school research project = Atheist.
