Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Harry Nevis]

You have the choice of Jesus if you will take it, and what do you mean your inability to be a scapegoat, nowhere in the bible does it say man will be a scapegoat. You are suppose to learn the lessons here, not after you die.

But I don't.  I can't choose to believe or accept something as supposedly important and life-changing as christianity when I see no evidence or proof, and delve into the history of christianity and see how the believers lie and misrepresent to further their cause.  That's one of the lessons I've learned here.

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Prove that your god exists, without using the Bible.

I do not have to, all I'm required to do is tell people why I believe. It is and always has been God's responsibility to prove himself to people, you went to church you should know this. 
 

So, it ISN't our choice, but god's?

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No credible contemporaneous secular evidence for such a person.  Earliest reports are from the Gospels, which were written approximately 2 generations after the alleged events, and the Gospels don't even agree with one another -- not even the synoptic ones, and definitely not gJohn (which reads like a bunch of mystical blather someone pulled out of his ass after hearing a few Jesus fables).

You know why, God wanted it that way. Faith first, then belief, then knowledge. Salvation comes before the knowledge is given. John's book is a spiritual account of Christ, unfortunately you can't see this. I do not understand why you are so hostile toward God and His people?

So, the bible is personally inaccurate by god's will.  So we will read it and have faith.  I'm sure you don't see how stupid this sounds.  Or how desperate.

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I do not want eternal life, and I reject substitutionary atonement absolutely.  No one -- not even your evil god's mini-me Jesus -- dies in my place for any reason whatsoever.  Punishing one person for the crimes of another is always unjust, regardless of the circumstances.

Jesus chose it, why can't you see that. I would die for my love ones for the reason Jesus died for you, LOVE. God did not punish Jesus, man did that, God allowed what Christ chose to do.

He took a 3-day break.  A little different then the death of a mortal.  And god allowed what god chose to do? Meh.

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You can pay for them and will as long as they go unforgiven. People commit crimes all the time without getting caught, they did not pay the penalty but they did the crime, that puts your argument on this to rest. Not trying to be smart... just saying. Like i have said time and again God is eternal and all sin is against His eternal nature and thus judgment is eternal. He will simply forgive you if you will accept what Christ did, not just on the cross but the entire time He was on earth.

Why should I trust a god who blackmails people to throw away reason and believe without evidence?

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For clarification before I respond to this, do you believe that the personality, the essential "you" is a product of the soul?

This is a discussion that could get very involved, I'll give you the short of it. The Bible states time and again that God looks at the heart of man, not his physical body, that includes the brain. The soul is the heart of man, it is who we are. God made the body but created the soul and thus the soul last forever. We do not need the body to be us. The soul is an entity separate from the entire physical body. Hope all this makes sense for you.

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Nope. No sense at all.  And it doesn't make sense to you, either.  You just ate it up with a spoon to satify some emotional void.