(August 24, 2017 at 11:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I don't think you can really speak for anyone else on this one buddy.  If you absolutely insist that you're some sort of monstrous degenerate who should burn in the fires of hell for all eternity..then so be it.  There's still the issue of the rest of us, who aren't.

Whether the better man is forced or willingly beaten for my crimes, he;s still a scapegoat...and personally, I;m not the sort of degenerate that accepts such an arrangement even if it were offered.  So I guess points to you, on that count.  You really might be as broken as you say you are.

 I was broken, Christ is in the process of rebuilding me daily. Without what He did on our behalf we all would stay broken spiritually and like I said before spiritually is how God deals with us in the end. You can call Him what you want but He chose to do it for you, a gift of eternal enormity.

GC

(August 25, 2017 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote: There are no god's but the one true living God, that being said you have nothing to compare God to. You may not, doesn't change the fact that hell is as real as we are and that those who refuse Jesus will be there, I get this from the scriptures and I'm using it as information not threats, so please don't get bent over this statement.

Prove that your god exists, without using the Bible.

And then demonstrate that your proof applies only to the god described in the Bible and to no other possible deities anywhere in the universe.

Finally, I continue to hold you personally responsible for each and every time you threaten us with hell.  You choose to assert that hell is real, despite there being no real-world evidence for such a ludicrous place.  Your "information not threats" disclaimer is rejected.

Quote:The law and the court belong to the eternal God who says justice is eternal, justice being reward and punishment. This is another thing your stubborn nature can not change and results in the same outcome, sorry but that's how it will be according to God.

Utterly unsupported mythological assertion.  I view your god as infinitely unjust, infinitely evil, and fictional.  Yes, I'm stubborn.  I have to be, to put up with brainwashed gits like you.

Quote:You can believe this till the day you die (I'm hoping not), but it want change the fact that Christ is real...

No credible contemporaneous secular evidence for such a person.  Earliest reports are from the Gospels, which were written approximately 2 generations after the alleged events, and the Gospels don't even agree with one another -- not even the synoptic ones, and definitely not gJohn (which reads like a bunch of mystical blather someone pulled out of his ass after hearing a few Jesus fables).

Quote:and gave up much to make it possible for us to have eternal life with Him. You have your opinion about substitutionary atonement but substitutionary atonement was His choice even before creation. God's requirement to enter heaven is for one to be sinless and there is no way under the sun we could ever live a life sinless. There is no way we could ever pay for our own sin, it's just not humanly possible. So one must accept Christ for who He is and what He did for us, He did this of His own free will and love for us. All your opinions about who Christ is and what He did want change the reality of the eternal justice God will give to all people, like I said above, it's His laws and court.

I do not want eternal life, and I reject substitutionary atonement absolutely.  No one -- not even your evil god's mini-me Jesus -- dies in my place for any reason whatsoever.  Punishing one person for the crimes of another is always unjust, regardless of the circumstances.

Furthermore, if we cannot pay our own alleged debts, how could we possibly have incurred them in the first place?  Apparently your hell-creating loan shark god has assigned too much value to those debts.  Supposedly it could simply forgive, or punish in equal measure in the real world, but instead it gives itself a Butthurt Factor of infinity and gives mortals a Works value of zero.  If your god holds all the power, it automatically holds the responsibility as well.  Responsibility cannot be delegated unless one also delegates the authority to fulfill that responsibility. This is basic managerial theory out of Intro to Business 101.  If we are not permitted to possess the means to pay our own debts, neither can we be held responsible for them.  Guess your god is just going to have to throw itself into its own hell to balance the books.

Quote:  Intellectually and morally broken, why because I care enough to tell people what I know as fact...

If you think that ludicrous belief system of yours is a fact, rather than merely a belief, you're beyond all hope.  You worship an evil god and call it a loving one, you blame its victims for their own suffering at the mercy of that demonic prick you worship, you let some mythical god-man take the fall for you, and you call that "God's truth"?  *facepalm*

Quote:In the end all that matters is God's truth and that I have accepted it totally. I'm not ashame of what I profess and who I believe in, it is a life that brings great joy to me.

Your "great joy" is founded on heavily plagiarized mythology and very ill-considered thinking on morality.   One strong incoming wave and that sandcastle is going down, and if I happen to be around when your faith gets washed away I will not lift a finger to prevent it.

One can't help but think discrimination is the only solution for someone with a mentality of that sort. For their own goddamn fucking good and everyone around them. Excluded from any rights and privileges beyond that of being able to keep on breathing. At some point that delusion will crack.

(August 25, 2017 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:  If they deserve punishment then they should receive it, punishment in their case isn't a bad thing (well maybe in their opinion it is), it is a teaching tool to help set them on a good coarse for the future.

God doesn't seem to agree with that assessment..or, at least that's what you just told us.  

Quote: Looks like you are going to stay the coarse even if it means eternal punishment, the post above this to Astreja, I reply about what it take to choose such a coarse.

Meh, it's not like I have a choice in the matter..so, if god is going to punish me, purportedly for "deserving" eternal torture due to my inability to be a scapegoater...that's what gods' going to do.  One wonders, if that were the case, what the lesson is supposed to be, what "good course" is being set for my future.  

(August 25, 2017 at 12:52 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I was broken, Christ is in the process of rebuilding me daily. Without what He did on our behalf we all would stay broken spiritually and like I said before spiritually is how God deals with us in the end. You can call Him what you want but He chose to do it for you, a gift of eternal enormity.

If your comments on these boards are any indication of his progress....it seems as if all his work is still ahead of him. A person who chooses to enngage in some disgusting act on my behalf without consulting me hasn't done me any favors...you realize?

"I killed that man for you"- said the raving lunatic. "You should really thank him for what he;s done" - said his co-conspirator.

(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 8:04 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: Well, we all get things in life we don't want.  But we usually get what we deserve.

 Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.

GC

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We don't care what your imaginary friend says.

(August 25, 2017 at 8:13 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  Funny you should say the above, (bold by me). Because Christians do not get what we deserve, it comes through the grace of God alone. Now atheist according to God will get what they deserve and in the end they will not want it, they will want what they rejected and if they hadn't rejected Him would have gotten what they did not deserve.

GC

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We don't care what your imaginary friend says.

 That's why you will get what you deserve, if you do not change.

GC

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(August 25, 2017 at 1:35 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(August 25, 2017 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote:  If they deserve punishment then they should receive it, punishment in their case isn't a bad thing (well maybe in their opinion it is), it is a teaching tool to help set them on a good coarse for the future.

God doesn't seem to agree with that assessment..or, at least that's what you just told us.  

No I didn't, Hebrews 12:6 says, 'The Lord disciplines the ones He loves, and chastises every son who He receives.'" This is for all peoples and I know it well.

Quote: Looks like you are going to stay the coarse even if it means eternal punishment, the post above this to Astreja, I reply about what it take to choose such a coarse.

Khemikal Wrote:Meh, it's not like I have a choice in the matter..so, if god is going to punish me, purportedly for "deserving" eternal torture due to my inability to be a scapegoater...that's what gods' going to do.  One wonders, if that were the case, what the lesson is supposed to be, what "good course" is being set for my future.  

You have the choice of Jesus if you will take it, and what do you mean your inability to be a scapegoat, nowhere in the bible does it say man will be a scapegoat. You are suppose to learn the lessons here, not after you die.

(August 25, 2017 at 12:52 am)Godscreated Wrote:  I was broken, Christ is in the process of rebuilding me daily. Without what He did on our behalf we all would stay broken spiritually and like I said before spiritually is how God deals with us in the end. You can call Him what you want but He chose to do it for you, a gift of eternal enormity.

Khemikal Wrote:If your comments on these boards are any indication of his progress....it seems as if all his work is still ahead of him.  A person who chooses to enngage in some disgusting act on my behalf without consulting me hasn't done me any favors...you realize?

God doesn't consult with anyone, He is God... you realize? The work was finished on the cross, John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished," and He bowed his head and gave up his spirit. 

(August 24, 2017 at 11:32 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 22, 2017 at 10:30 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: If the "soul" is where the "you" exists, why can't these asshats explain the personality changes, sometimes quite drastic, that can occur after severe head trauma? Or, split personalities following a corpus callosotomy. It seems to me that "souls" are a convenient way to say "I really don't know fuck-all about this" without having to admit that you really know fuck-all about it. Of course, with GC's propensity to deny science and try to pass off woo as science, I'd have to guess that knowing fuck-all is his default state.

 You want me to answer a post you should direct it towards me. The soul is a created thing, it's there for us to be able to communicate with God, it is who we are spiritually. It does interact with the physical us as long as we are allowing God to be in our lives. The Holy Spirit speaks to our soul (heart) to convict us of our wrongs in life. The soul can't be a part of any science because it is spirit and undetectable by the physical sciences. I do not deny science and you know that, why you keep saying such is beyond me. I do not pass off woo as science, just because you can't answer science questions I pose from time to time doesn't make the question woo. Of coarse you're not going to like any of the above answer but then I doubt you like/care about anything Christians say.

GC

For clarification before I respond to this, do you believe that the personality, the essential "you" is a product of the soul?

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(August 25, 2017 at 12:01 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 7:43 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: On another note, do you believe your gawd will forgive people after he's tossed them into hell like so much rubbish into the incinerator?

 God doesn't treat people like rubbish, people choose hell and God gives them what they chose. If they do not want to spend eternity with God then He will not force them. The scriptures tell us once a person dies his/her chances are over, that's the end point, you're judged and given the punishment you chose for disobedience. God deals in eternal things not temporal.

GC

So, an eternal being gives us just 80 years or so to figure it out. If we don't do so to it's satisfaction we "choose" hell. Hell is an infinite punishment for a finite crime. Is that about right?

(August 25, 2017 at 1:17 am)Astreja Wrote:

(August 25, 2017 at 12:36 am)Godscreated Wrote: There are no gods but the one true living God, that being said you have nothing to compare God to. You may not, doesn't change the fact that hell is as real as we are and that those who refuse Jesus will be there, I get this from the scriptures and I'm using it as information not threats, so please don't get bent over this statement.

Prove that your god exists, without using the Bible.

I do not have to, all I'm required to do is tell people why I believe. It is and always has been God's responsibility to prove himself to people, you went to church you should know this. 
 

Astreja Wrote:And then demonstrate that your proof applies only to the god described in the Bible and to no other possible deities anywhere in the universe.

There are no other gods only the living creator God of the Bible. It wouldn't matter what I said you wouldn't accept it, we both know this, you are not fooling anyone with this line of questioning, except maybe yourself.

Asterja Wrote:Finally, I continue to hold you personally responsible for each and every time you threaten us with hell.  You choose to assert that hell is real, despite there being no real-world evidence for such a ludicrous place.  Your "information not threats" disclaimer is rejected.

Okay, if that's what you want to do. Since you fell that way let me make this very clear to you, God holds you personally responsible for all the sins you commit against Him and it they go unforgiven you will find out how real hell is, this is according to the scriptures.

Quote:The law and the court belong to the eternal God who says justice is eternal, justice being reward and punishment. This is another thing your stubborn nature can not change and results in the same outcome, sorry but that's how it will be according to God.

 

Asterja Wrote:Utterly unsupported mythological assertion.  I view your god as infinitely unjust, infinitely evil, and fictional.  Yes, I'm stubborn.  I have to be, to put up with brainwashed gits like you.

Prove it's mythology. Your views do not count when it comes to God, He loves you no matter what you say about Him. Unfortunately you are the one who has been brainwashed. I came here of my own free will and posted a few thousand times, know what I do not see it as wasted time, though at times i would rather be building furniture.

Quote:You can believe this till the day you die (I'm hoping not), but it want change the fact that Christ is real...

Asterja Wrote:No credible contemporaneous secular evidence for such a person.  Earliest reports are from the Gospels, which were written approximately 2 generations after the alleged events, and the Gospels don't even agree with one another -- not even the synoptic ones, and definitely not gJohn (which reads like a bunch of mystical blather someone pulled out of his ass after hearing a few Jesus fables).

You know why, God wanted it that way. Faith first, then belief, then knowledge. Salvation comes before the knowledge is given. John's book is a spiritual account of Christ, unfortunately you can't see this. I do not understand why you are so hostile toward God and His people?

Quote:and gave up much to make it possible for us to have eternal life with Him. You have your opinion about substitutionary atonement but substitutionary atonement was His choice even before creation. God's requirement to enter heaven is for one to be sinless and there is no way under the sun we could ever live a life sinless. There is no way we could ever pay for our own sin, it's just not humanly possible. So one must accept Christ for who He is and what He did for us, He did this of His own free will and love for us. All your opinions about who Christ is and what He did want change the reality of the eternal justice God will give to all people, like I said above, it's His laws and court.

Asterja Wrote:I do not want eternal life, and I reject substitutionary atonement absolutely.  No one -- not even your evil god's mini-me Jesus -- dies in my place for any reason whatsoever.  Punishing one person for the crimes of another is always unjust, regardless of the circumstances.

Jesus chose it, why can't you see that. I would die for my love ones for the reason Jesus died for you, LOVE. God did not punish Jesus, man did that, God allowed what Christ chose to do.

Astreja Wrote:Furthermore, if we cannot pay our own alleged debts, how could we possibly have incurred them in the first place?  Apparently your hell-creating loan shark god has assigned too much value to those debts.  Supposedly it could simply forgive, or punish in equal measure in the real world, but instead it gives itself a Butthurt Factor of infinity and gives mortals a Works value of zero.

You can pay for them and will as long as they go unforgiven. People commit crimes all the time without getting caught, they did not pay the penalty but they did the crime, that puts your argument on this to rest. Not trying to be smart... just saying. Like i have said time and again God is eternal and all sin is against His eternal nature and thus judgment is eternal. He will simply forgive you if you will accept what Christ did, not just on the cross but the entire time He was on earth.

Astreja Wrote: If your god holds all the power, it automatically holds the responsibility as well.  Responsibility cannot be delegated unless one also delegates the authority to fulfill that responsibility. This is basic managerial theory out of Intro to Business 101.  If we are not permitted to possess the means to pay our own debts, neither can we be held responsible for them.  Guess your god is just going to have to throw itself into its own hell to balance the books.

God doesn't hold the power over your choice of eternal life or eternal punishment, He could but then He wouldn't be God. God is an eternal being who has always existed, who created the universe and made the greatest sacrifice for mankind. God is omnipresent, do you know what this means as related to Him?
god doesn't deal with 101's, it's silly to even think about god in this way, like I've been saying His universe, His laws and His court. By the way Christ who is God has already paid the debt, smart people accept that without question, so the books will be balanced as soon as judgment is over.

Quote:  Intellectually and morally broken, why because I care enough to tell people what I know as fact...

Asterja Wrote:If you think that ludicrous belief system of yours is a fact, rather than merely a belief, you're beyond all hope.  You worship an evil god and call it a loving one, you blame its victims for their own suffering at the mercy of that demonic prick you worship, you let some mythical god-man take the fall for you, and you call that "God's truth"?  *facepalm*

I'm not beyond hope, I have hope. God has proven himself to me in real ways, ways you wouldn't accept if I explained them to you, I know I've tried. God is love, it is who He is. There are no victims when choice is involved so you can just get over the victim thing. Jesus wasn't a victim, He chose to die for you and accept your punishment of His own free will. It's done and you have no say in what he chose to do. God is truth and that is what you need to understand to know God. All of who God is goes through His truth, without God's truth we would have no hope.

Quote:In the end all that matters is God's truth and that I have accepted it totally. I'm not ashame of what I profess and who I believe in, it is a life that brings great joy to me.

Astreja Wrote:Your "great joy" is founded on heavily plagiarized mythology and very ill-considered thinking on morality.   One strong incoming wave and that sandcastle is going down, and if I happen to be around when your faith gets washed away I will not lift a finger to prevent it.

 My hope, faith, belief and knowledge are all built on the foundation of stone laid down by Christ and no amount of anything will ever change that. All I need is God and everything else will be taken care of in some manner. You can lift the whole world against me and it wouldn't make a difference, god has promised me protection. A person might kill this body, but God has my soul in His protective hands and it will be placed in a new body one day, an indestructible one. God made the body, but the soul was created and it can never die. Believe it or not I enjoy our conversation and i will never give up hope that some day you will find Christ, please do not take this in any way but caring. Have a good weekend.

GC

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(August 25, 2017 at 11:35 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:

(August 24, 2017 at 11:32 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  You want me to answer a post you should direct it towards me. The soul is a created thing, it's there for us to be able to communicate with God, it is who we are spiritually. It does interact with the physical us as long as we are allowing God to be in our lives. The Holy Spirit speaks to our soul (heart) to convict us of our wrongs in life. The soul can't be a part of any science because it is spirit and undetectable by the physical sciences. I do not deny science and you know that, why you keep saying such is beyond me. I do not pass off woo as science, just because you can't answer science questions I pose from time to time doesn't make the question woo. Of coarse you're not going to like any of the above answer but then I doubt you like/care about anything Christians say.

GC

For clarification before I respond to this, do you believe that the personality, the essential "you" is a product of the soul?

This is a discussion that could get very involved, I'll give you the short of it. The Bible states time and again that God looks at the heart of man, not his physical body, that includes the brain. The soul is the heart of man, it is who we are. God made the body but created the soul and thus the soul last forever. We do not need the body to be us. The soul is an entity separate from the entire physical body. Hope all this makes sense for you.

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(August 25, 2017 at 12:01 am)Godscreated Wrote:  God doesn't treat people like rubbish, people choose hell and God gives them what they chose. If they do not want to spend eternity with God then He will not force them. The scriptures tell us once a person dies his/her chances are over, that's the end point, you're judged and given the punishment you chose for disobedience. God deals in eternal things not temporal.

GC

So, an eternal being gives us just 80 years or so to figure it out. If we don't do so to it's satisfaction we "choose" hell. Hell is an infinite punishment for a finite crime. Is that about right?[/quote]

 You use the phrase "figure it out," I find that strange because it sounds like one has to use a standard method to come to know God. It happens in many different ways for many different people. You might get tired of hearing Drich saying seek Him out, but it is true and that simple. People try and over complicate the process, you see God made it simple because there are those who for the lack of a better phrase, simple minded and can't process complicated things. This is a spiritual process not one of the mind, hope that covers the 80 years. The only requirement for salvation is to accept Jesus Christ for who He is and what He did for us and it was done of His on free will. You like me have never really had to choose hell, it was our eternal destination. We choose to be freed from that destination through the work of Jesus Christ. You have to understand that God only deals in the eternal because He is eternal and any sin that one commits is eternal because it's against the eternal God. If sin goes unforgiven the sin remains for eternity. Christ died and took our punishment so we wouldn't have to suffer that punishment and God says we have to accept who Christ is and what He did on our behalf to receive that forgiveness. So nothing is finite with God, He created an eternal soul and that will be judged or forgiven according to our choice, this is one choice God will not make for any man, it belongs to each of us alone. Have a good weekend.

GC

(August 25, 2017 at 9:55 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No I didn't, Hebrews 12:6 says, 'The Lord disciplines the ones He loves, and chastises every son who He receives.'" This is for all peoples and I know it well.

You did, and this thread exists, so there's no point in bullshitting either me or yourself.  You just got finished telling us that we all deserved hell, but that gods cronies wouldn't be getting what they deserved..because "grace".  

Pretty standard fare, I don't know why you're railing against your own beliefs and statements and blurting out bible passages at me?

Quote:You have the choice of Jesus if you will take it, and what do you mean your inability to be a scapegoat, nowhere in the bible does it say man will be a scapegoat. You are suppose to learn the lessons here, not after you die.

No, I don't.  I understand that this may be difficult for a broken degenerate like yourself to understand..but I literally don't have it in me to kill the better man over the issue of my unpaid parking tickets.   I suppose it's funny, in a way, considering all that I can do, all that I am capable of - but that's beneath my line.....and I'll shoot at people on command.  

So, maybe you ought to assess your life choices here, on this one?  

Quote:God doesn't consult with anyone, He is God... you realize? The work was finished on the cross, John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished," and He bowed his head and gave up his spirit. 

Which doesn't change anything you responded to, at all.  Yes, I know that you believe god engaged in a vicarious redemptive scheme.  Like I keep telling you, I;m not interested in killing the better man in order to pay my parking tickets.  Perhaps..if he;d consulted with me or any other remotely decent human being on the planet, we could have explained how this scheme was not only doomed to fail...but that it was evil?

(August 25, 2017 at 11:44 pm)Godscreated Wrote: I do not have to {prove God is real}, all I'm required to do is tell people why I believe. It is and always has been God's responsibility to prove himself to people, you went to church you should know this.

I only went to Sunday School a few times because a friend of mine was going.  Got bored and dropped out.

Since your imaginary friend doesn't seem to be interested in proving its existence to me, I'm not interested in looking for it either.  I'm proceeding on the assumption that it's imaginary.
 

Quote:There are no other gods only the living creator God of the Bible. It wouldn't matter what I said you wouldn't accept it, we both know this, you are not fooling anyone with this line of questioning, except maybe yourself.

You are correct in that your words hold no weight whatsoever with me.  I require actual testable physical evidence, and this is something that you clearly do not possess.

Quote:Since you fell that way let me make this very clear to you, God holds you personally responsible for all the sins you commit against Him and it they go unforgiven you will find out how real hell is, this is according to the scriptures.

An imaginary god cannot hold anyone responsible for anything, so I'm not unduly concerned.  Furthermore, I've already taken a vow to go to hell in the exceedingly unlikely prospect that such a place as hell actually exists.  If I'm unfortunate enough to get saddled with eternal life, something that I do not value at all, at least I can spend it easing the suffering that your god is inflicting on others.  I refuse to worship a god that would create a hell.

Quote:Prove it's mythology.

Talking Snake™, a flood that never happened, an exodus from Egypt that never happened, virgin birth, people coming back from the dead, and a dragon so large that it can knock a third of the stars out of the sky with its tail.  If that's not mythology, I don't know what is.

Quote:He loves you no matter what you say about Him.

Apparently your god doesn't love nearly enough.  If hell exists, the suffering of even one person in such a place is a deal-breaker for me.  I simply cannot love your god under those circumstances.

Quote:Faith first, then belief, then knowledge.

I am neurologically incapable of religious faith.  I'm not joking:  My brain automatically rejects claims that do not make sense, and I've been that way since I was a child.

Quote:I do not understand why you are so hostile toward God and His people?

Christianity is an extremely destructive belief system that undermines self-esteem and maturity at the psychological level, and ravages cultural communities at the sociopolitical level.   There is nearly two millennia of blood on your collective hands, including the blood of some of my own ancestors' friends and neighbours.

Quote:Jesus chose it, why can't you see that. I would die for my love ones for the reason Jesus died for you, LOVE. God did not punish Jesus, man did that, God allowed what Christ chose to do.

I reject the so-called sacrifice anyway.  The whole sordid scenario repulses me to the core of my being, and I have no intention of ever accepting it.

Quote:Like i have said time and again God is eternal and all sin is against His eternal nature and thus judgment is eternal. He will simply forgive you if you will accept what Christ did, not just on the cross but the entire time He was on earth.

No.  Unconditionally rejected.  Shall I seal the deal by slandering the Holy Spirit?

Quote:God doesn't hold the power over your choice of eternal life or eternal punishment, He could but then He wouldn't be God. God is an eternal being who has always existed, who created the universe and made the greatest sacrifice for mankind. God is omnipresent, do you know what this means as related to Him?

What a ludicrous pile of excuses.  You can't do it, can you?  You really can't do it.  You seem to be utterly mentally incapable of even hypothetically entertaining the idea that your god is the abuser in this whole ridiculous story.  You can't allow even the slightest whiff of bad to touch your "loving" imaginary friend, so instead you blame the billions of mortals who are at the mercy of an eternal, omnipresent rat-bastard god.

Quote:I'm not beyond hope, I have hope. God has proven himself to me in real ways, ways you wouldn't accept if I explained them to you, I know I've tried.

That's because your personal testimony is of no evidentiary value whatsoever in my eyes.

Quote:God is love, it is who He is. There are no victims when choice is involved so you can just get over the victim thing.

You have an utterly bizarre idea of what love is.  And keep on blaming those victims, GC -- That hole you're in is just getting deeper and deeper.

Quote:My hope, faith, belief and knowledge are all built on the foundation of stone laid down by Christ and no amount of anything will ever change that. All I need is God and everything else will be taken care of in some manner. You can lift the whole world against me and it wouldn't make a difference, god has promised me protection. A person might kill this body, but God has my soul in His protective hands and it will be placed in a new body one day, an indestructible one.

Nope.  Eventually you will simply die, and at that moment everything you ever believed will be gone forever.  Your hope, as a close friend of mind is wont to say, is the denial of reality.