Vaccination exemption in CA, personal down, medical up

[Edwardo Piet]

I agree Mermaid, that it's a civil duty. It's something people "ought" to do. But i dont think passing a law that forces everyone to be vaccinated, or that discriminates agasint these people in a big way, seems right either. Maybe there should be more focus on awareness and education so that this wouldn't be an issue to begin with.  

I have to be honest and say that with regards to forcing everyone to vaccine.... I haven't actually decided whether I'm pro or anti doing that yet.

I am extremely pro vax and very anti-anti-vax. I despise anti-vaxxers.

But I am also extremely pro freedom-of-choice (in the political and personal sense) and extremely anti-forcing-anybody-to-do-anything-even-something-really-important.

But this is really really important. It's a close one for me... but I think at the end of the day I'd probably want to increase education and awareness of the reality and ban teaching anti-vax shit in schools or colleges (if any of that shit is taught) but I'd allow anti-vaxxers idiots to protest wherever they like and I wouldn't FORCE anyone to vax.

But... I'm talking adults here. I don't think any adult should be forced to vax themselves or each other.

I do think that parents should be made to vax their kids. That's probably where I'd stand. I don't think children should miss out on being vaxed just because they have idiot parents. But if somehow children do become adults without being vaxxed in everything... then once they're an adult they should be allowed the freedom of choice to be as irresponsible as they like with themselves and their friends... just not with their own kids of anybody else's kids.

I would say that's how I stand on the matter.

By the way... I'm not the same with religion.

I do think that indoctrinating any kid into one particular religion is a form of child abuse as it's isolating neglectful... BUT I think that teaching children religion isn't abusive at all if you teach them about other religions as well and give them a full picture.

I think comparative religion should be mandatory in schools.

I disagree with Daniel Dennett on a lot of things... but I agree with him extremely strongly here:





And I think that having a completely unbiased teaching about all different religions... is the best possible indirect path to atheism. And I am not suggesting it because I'm biased in favor with atheism. I am suggesting it because being as informed as possible is the best possible outcome... and it just so happens to be a lucky by product that that is definitely the best path to atheism