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The Cake Case Revisited
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RE: The Cake Case Revisited
(October 4, 2017 at 11:03 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:
(October 4, 2017 at 4:09 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As I've explained, refusing to bake a cake for a particular person because you don't like who they are, shouldn't be allowed. Refusing to bake a cake for an event or purpose you disagree with, should. So if I walked into a bakery and asked for a birthday cake for myself that said "happy birthday debora" and the baker happened to know I was catholic, he can't turn me away simply bc of who I am. But if I wanted a cake that said "Pro Life!" on it for a pro life fundraiser I was hosting, you can absolutely say no if you are against the pro life movement.

Unless you're defining gay marriage as something other than marriage, your point is pure bullshit. If these bigoted bozos don't want to bake cakes for gay weddings, they can always opt-out of baking wedding cakes. No (open, repulsive) bigotry in refusing the gay wedding then. This seems to be the point you're missing. They are refusing to bake a wedding cake because the couple is gay. They're not refusing to bake wedding cakes. They're refusing to bake gay wedding cakes. It's the very definition of bigotry.

So, I'll ask again, how would you feel if you were refused a service granted to everyone else, based solely on your religion? If you walked into a restaurant wearing a crucifix and the waiter told you "We don't serve cathy-licks," are you going to tell me that's somehow different?!?

Well, if a person doesn't think gay marriage is moral and they don't want to make a cake for a cause they disagree with, I think they have the right to say no.

And I already answered your question. If someone refused me a cake that was unrelated to my Catholicism simply bc I was catholic, I would think that was illegal discrimination of servicing me because of who I am. If someone refused to make a cake for me that was for a pro life rally or for a catholic baptism because they were morally/politically/religiously opposed to those causes, i would think it was within their rights to do so.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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The Cake Case Revisited - by Paraselene - October 3, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Bob Kelso - October 3, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by downbeatplumb - October 4, 2017 at 2:47 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 4, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Bob Kelso - October 4, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Edwardo Piet - October 6, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by chimp3 - October 3, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mister Agenda - October 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 3, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 8:46 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Alex K - October 4, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 4:02 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by downbeatplumb - October 4, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Paraselene - October 3, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Seraphina - October 3, 2017 at 10:35 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 10:44 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Amarok - October 3, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 4, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 4, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by ignoramus - October 4, 2017 at 3:24 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 5, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 4, 2017 at 3:30 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 4:09 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 4, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 5, 2017 at 6:20 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 4, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 2:23 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 5, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by ignoramus - October 4, 2017 at 4:08 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 7:42 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 11:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 5, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 9:58 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 6, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Drich - October 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 5, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Whateverist - October 6, 2017 at 11:30 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aegon - October 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Crossless2.0 - October 6, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 1:57 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by dyresand - October 6, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 6, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 6, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 6, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 6, 2017 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by dyresand - October 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 2:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Amarok - October 6, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 2:51 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Cecelia - October 6, 2017 at 10:01 pm

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