(October 5, 2017 at 9:58 am)Aroura Wrote:(October 5, 2017 at 6:20 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What about protesting, by refusing to make a dress for the First Lady and the inauguration? Or performers refusing to sing at Trumps inauguration? And then you had the Springsteen concert that was scheduled in Carolina and canceled for reasons of discrimination. Is this not Ok as well?
None of those things are based on sex, race, religion, age or sexual orientation.
You and CL both, apples and oranges. And straw men. No court would even hear a case of turning away a nazi, or not participating in a political activity. Those things are actually protected by law, the other way. You set up a false argument, then act like it somehow justifies your point. It doesn't.
This case is about discrimination based on the legally held definitions of the above. Their are no laws, nor proposed laws, stating no discrimination based on anything, ever. There ARE laws stating one cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation, which is why this is even a case all.
Sexual orientation is like race. Sexual orientation is NOT like political leaning. Both of you please stop tossing this strawman into the argument.
I was just asking some questions (not really making an argument). Would it be correct from your response, to say that you believe one should be able to discriminate based political orientation? Can someone refuse services to someone who walks in, with a t-shirt in support of of a politician or cause that you do not approve of or support yourself? Is there a difference between turning away the person based on something completely unrelated to the task being asked of you; and, declining from doing the task being asked? For example a restaurant owner refusing to serve someone food wearing a pro-firearms shirt, vs a T-Shrit shop refusing to print it to begin with, because the material goes against their convictions
Also, from what I have seen almost no one on the side of the bakers in these types of cases is advocating that someone be able to discriminate based on sexual orientation. As well most of business owners involved who I have heard speak on the issue, have said, that it is not about the person and that they have no problem in another instance doing work for them.
In the case of a bakery, personally; I'm on the fence. I think that there is room for discussion. I also think that when discussing such things such as freedoms or discrimination you need to keep in mind that it also applies to causes and incidences that you may or may not support.
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