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The Cake Case Revisited
RE: The Cake Case Revisited
(October 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm)Joods Wrote:
(October 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: (emphasis is mine)

I have to disagree on this point. The public is exactly who pays the costs these businesses incur. All those costs get passes along to the customers in the price of the products.

"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason" does not include refusing to serve someone based on reasons deemed illegal. Refusing to serve someone based on sexual orientation is no different than refusing to serve someone based on skin color.

Excellent point. My thought was that the Baker shouldn't be forced to make a cake for someone if they don't want to. What if the baker decided to close up shop and no longer make cakes at all.

I guess what I'm saying is that, unless there is overwhelming evidence that the baker violated the rights of someone, then you really can't force a private business owner to make something he doesn't want to.
Furthermore, the people involved could simply take their money elsewhere. After all that, I'd be weary of the baker spitting in my cake if a judge forced him to make one.

That's not a cake I'd want to serve at my wedding, regardless.

If you want to operate a business that is open to the public, you have to abide by the anti-discrimination laws and all other laws, whether you agree with them or not. I mean what if all the grocery stores in a town where owned by Christians who decided they weren't going to serve blacks or gays, those tax paying people would not even be able to shop for groceries in the very town that their taxes support.
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The Cake Case Revisited - by Silver - October 3, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Bob Kelso - October 3, 2017 at 6:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by downbeatplumb - October 4, 2017 at 2:47 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 4, 2017 at 6:33 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Bob Kelso - October 4, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Edwardo Piet - October 6, 2017 at 11:00 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by chimp3 - October 3, 2017 at 6:23 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mister Agenda - October 5, 2017 at 2:30 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 3, 2017 at 6:26 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 8:46 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Alex K - October 4, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 4:02 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by downbeatplumb - October 4, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 6:57 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 7:07 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Silver - October 3, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 8:36 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Seraphina - October 3, 2017 at 10:35 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 11:10 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 3, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 3, 2017 at 9:58 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 3, 2017 at 10:44 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 3, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Amarok - October 3, 2017 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 3, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 4, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Rev. Rye - October 4, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:25 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by ignoramus - October 4, 2017 at 3:24 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 5, 2017 at 2:53 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 4, 2017 at 3:30 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 4:09 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 4, 2017 at 7:17 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 4, 2017 at 10:10 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 5, 2017 at 6:20 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 4, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 2:23 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 9:23 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 5, 2017 at 1:47 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by ignoramus - October 4, 2017 at 4:08 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 7:42 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 12:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 2:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 4, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Minimalist - October 4, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 4, 2017 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 10:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 4, 2017 at 11:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 5, 2017 at 12:38 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 9:58 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 6, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 5, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 5, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Drich - October 5, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 5, 2017 at 5:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Whateverist - October 6, 2017 at 11:30 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 9:51 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 11:09 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aegon - October 6, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Crossless2.0 - October 6, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Aroura - October 6, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 1:41 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 1:57 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by RoadRunner79 - October 6, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by dyresand - October 6, 2017 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 11:32 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 6, 2017 at 12:08 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Ravenshire - October 6, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Mr.wizard - October 6, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Joods - October 6, 2017 at 11:37 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Pat Mustard - October 6, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 11:49 am
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by The Grand Nudger - October 6, 2017 at 1:02 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 1:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by dyresand - October 6, 2017 at 1:25 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 2:28 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Neo-Scholastic - October 6, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:56 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Amarok - October 6, 2017 at 1:08 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Catholic_Lady - October 6, 2017 at 2:18 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Divinity - October 6, 2017 at 2:51 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by vorlon13 - October 6, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: The Cake Case Revisited - by Cecelia - October 6, 2017 at 10:01 pm

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