Coveny’s plan for health care

[Coveny]

Oh I see you do it to me, no problem, I do it to you and your cry fowl. Got it.

As a for the record thing I was a field medic in the army it's much shorter than two years and I've stitched people up just fine. (to be fair it was 20 years ago though) Also could you tell me how long it takes to become a paramedic, and explain why you feel don't understand medicine please?

I prolly shouldn't have engaged you because you are obviously trolling me, but at this point I'm already in so what the heck.

Good when you do 12 surgeries a day . And make no mistakes come back to me . Field medicine  is not the same as frequent domestic surgeries .

Oh look more "facts" that you can't support. 12 surgeries a day? I have no interest in going to that surgeon. From the surgeries I've had, and the people I know have had even simple surgeries take hours to do. Can't see how it would be possible to perform 12 a day so I spent 5 seconds on google and found this: "The average numbers of procedures per surgeon per year was 398" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420902/ it's a bit old, but I doubt it's change that much.

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Paramedics and EMTs are trained to deal with specific (and usually fairly limited) situations.  They are the best qualified to get patients to the hospital in as good as shape as they were found--if not better.  There's a big difference between the job of a paramedic and a doctor.  Their skills are geared more toward pre-hospital care. And often they are under the direction of a doctor (who is more useful back at the hospital, with other patients)

It's easy to think that because you can become a paramedic in a short amount of time, that people could also become doctors in such a short amount of time--but doctors and paramedics aren't remotely the same thing.  Just like Doctors and nurses aren't the same thing.  

Doctors require years of education for a very good reason--the amount of knowledge they need is much higher.  And getting it wrong, can be costly.  Relegating the poor to doctors with limited training only opens the floodgates for more problems.  And that's exactly what you are doing with your tier system.  Because poor people wouldn't be able to see a tier 5 doctor with the money they have.  They'd be relegated to a tier 1 or 2 doctor because it's what they can afford.  You're essentially making them choose between money, and their health.  And when faced with a choice of lower quality vs going into heavy debt, they have to choose lower quality because going into too much debt could destroy them.  (And on some level I think you realize this given your argument that your friends can't afford healthcare--which means they'd be going to Tier 1 doctors--or doctors with extremely limited experience)

Even doctors with a LOT of experience can make mistakes.  As we see today.  I know my daughter was misdiagnosed once by our family doctor.  Had my mother (who's also a doctor--an internist to be specific) not recommended me to take her to another doctor, I might not have.  The other doctor diagnosed her right, and she was able to get better.  Doctors with 2 years of experience are going to be more likely to make mistakes than doctors with more experience.  That much should be obvious to anyone.  So you'd essentially be sending your friends, who can't afford healthcare, to doctors more likely to make mistakes simply because they can't afford it.

What we need is Single Payer Healthcare.  Which isn't without it's flaws, but those are flaws that can be addressed.  Grants for those who enter the field of medicine, among other ideas.  Single Payer also eliminates the profit-motive, which means that you save the millions of dollars in profit these companies are making.  It also cuts out the middle man in negotiating with doctors, meaning everyone would be able to see every doctor.  Single Payer is a system that needs worked on, and it's the best way to supply healthcare to everyone in a way that is both equitable, and fair.

You had me at "Paramedics and EMTs are trained to deal with specific (and usually fairly limited) situations." I agree if tier 1 doctors were trained to deal with specific situations they would work out well. Thanks for the support.

If you can address those flaws I'm all ears. Thus far I haven't heard anything from you, and others who are against my system that universal healthcare is the magic bullet. Sure it lowers health care costs, but the basic problem with regulating doctors pay so that "good" doctors make more than "bad" doctors, and the need to double if not triple the number of doctors who've gone through 12 - 15 years of medical training are huge flaws that no one is addressing, or responding to. They are just saying "it's not a problem", or that pretend like it's going to magically fix itself, or human beings are going to change. We have plenty of research that shows that's not the case. So give me a real solutions and I'm all ears. Give me real criticism and I'm all ears. But when your plan is one that's slightly better than what we currently have, and you ignore the problems with it and tout it as the end all be all, let's just say I'm going to be resistant.