Coveny’s plan for health care

[Coveny]

You go from "People in Canada and the UK still get private insurance to cover things not covered by their systems...and still yet opt for out of pocket expenses for things not covered by their system" to "Universal healthcare operates on the same idea as insurance..it uses the same personnel, it pays for the same services, it just pays for them in a different way." Now if you understand that people opt for private healthcare because of "things not covered" then you should understand that it's a contradiction to say "it pays for the same services". This is one of the issues with universal healthcare, it doesn't cover everything, and people are still left in need a treatment they can't afford.

Private insurance doesn't cover everything either, and OOP expenses in both countries are mostly tied to red carpet services, elective treatments, and choosing a different doctor based on something other than any medical requirement.  This demonstrates simply that your comments regarding "good and bad" doctors are divorced from reality.  That ensuring access to -a- doctor doesn't prevent some doctor from charging more.

So try again.

Private medical does cover everything, and you are being dishonest when you imply private insurance and medical care is just for elective treatments and red carpet service. Here are a couple of posts on the topic:
USA Today - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...ealth-care
Huffington Past - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/can...570d3778ff
CJ - https://www.city-journal.org/html/ugly-t...13032.html
New York Times - http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/30/us/can...wanted=all
Forbes - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca...e30d8e78d5

You admit and understand that medical professions with limited knowledge are effective in our current system.  (immunizations, and ambulances were your examples) But the idea of expanding this to lower costs equates to getting your cousin with a tube of superglue. You can't view the people giving shots to your children this way, and I doubt you feel that way about EMTs and Paramedics. So again you contradict yourself. On top of that you do see the costs as a roadblock for some. Yet you can't accept the idea of making the costs lower for someone with less knowledge to allow them to break into the field.

Is that what you think I "admitted to"?  That Cletus with his glue and tranquilizers was effective?  Is there some reason that we have to opt for people with less knowledge to reduce the cost of education to a student?  I;m not interested in under trained people "breaking in" to medicine...medicine isn't about those people breaking into something.  The point of healthcare is not to increase their economic opportunities.  It aint about you.

You admitted to EMT, Paramedics, and non-doctors giving shots, now you attempt to backpedal. These are effective breaking in positions to the medical profession in your opinion, so stop acting like anything less than a full fledged doctor is some backwoods no teeth guy with a glue gun.

I agree with you that the less competition you have in a market the more of a monopoly it creates, and that the medical industry is full of huge companies that are incredibly profitable and have used those profits to corrupt our laws/government/media in their favor. However you don't understand the contradiction of wanting more laws/regulations, and expecting that to lower costs and create more companies, and more medical professionals. 

Lowering costs comes from collective bargaining..you know...how insurance works in the first place?  Insurance, that thing that people would still require no matter how idiotically or dangerously you tiered your services.

If you wanted to buy a produce collective bargaining works awesome. When the produce (humans) can choose not to bargain with you, it doesn't work so well. This is why universal healthcare has so many problems. And until we can create a robot to do the work of a medical professional, it will continue to be a service, NOT a product.

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And you still addressed nothing

And you still are presenting nothing to be addressed.