(October 31, 2017 at 12:00 pm)wallym Wrote:(October 31, 2017 at 9:48 am)Brian37 Wrote: You'd be right if it were a rare thing. But we are not talking about politics as normal.
IT IS THE REPEATED DAILY scapegoating and vilification of MULTIPLE groups and individuals. This isn't a rare thing with this guy.
You are not getting it. If other politicians see his daily carpet bombing political vilification of any dissent as a lagit way of winning an election, that CAN have long term negative effects on our western values.
You, "Politicians lie".
Me, "No kidding".
Not the point. I am talking about his TONE and rhetoric as a tactic. Again, when you have even LAW AGENTS saying your rhetoric is toxic, this is no longer politics as normal, this is dangerous and destructive.
He needs to be put in his place to send a message that his carpet bombing vilification is not acceptable.
We have seen in past history where hyper nationalism, political scapegoating and vilification can lead, and it never ends well.
I think you are fooling yourself if you think the climate he has set is normal. It is not normal.
It hasn't been a rare thing for quite a while. Again, the only difference is we've got Trump using it directly rather than the usual strategy of the top dog pretending to be presidential while their minions go out and sling the toxic rhetoric/vilification. My opinion, is that the curtain has been pulled back, and we're now seeing politics as it is.
This is the environment we all created. You could see it coming back in 2008. Obama and his birth certificate. At the same time, Sarah Palin was accused of pretending Trig was her baby, and it was actually Bristol's, and a big coverup. That was a story on a leftwing website that a lot of democrats used as a news source. And in the heat of the election, a lot of them bought it.
Essentially, as a voters, we've made it clear we'll agree to anything we're told if it helps our candidate/party. If people want to stop that, they have to hold their own party accountable, as those are the people you can influence. But that comes at a cost, because the other side is going to keep doing it, and it's going to keep working. And nobody wants to lose any ground, so death spiral it is!
If this is your way of saying "A society is only as good as it's participation" not the point.
In the west we are supposed to have extra measures of checks on power, including the majority to avoid mob rule by vote.
Iran and Saudi Arabia and China hold elections too despite popular belief.
Our system of checks and balances here in the west are also a check on the majority too.
I would only agree that DEMS for far too long have had too much apathy in local and state elections, and that has cost us long term.
