This is the things about Christianity, It makes absolutely no sense from beginning to end. It's not so much the detail but the bigger picture.
At least Calvinists are do away with the whole 'free will' problem by saying we could not have chosen otherwise.. ever, and the consensus in science seems to be on their side.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...ll/480750/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...08181.html
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/min...free-will/
I believe the free will argument is simply a cop out, but even if we grant free will we have another problem, why would a god create a world where it was inevitable that many would sin, and then make the punishment for sin death, then add to that make that death not really death at all, but eternal torture. This leads on to all kinds of stupid debates, I was on a Christian site the other day, they were arguing about where hell actually was, was it spiritual, was it below volcanos, unbelievable !
Put simply the punishment for sin did not have to be death (unless god is bound by rules above himself), and certainly did not have to be eternal torture, especially seeing as he so readily and easily accommodated sin in the first place. God is fully responsible for this situation, to blame humanity for the mess of his creation is reprehensible, dishonest and to me shows the full nature of the men who wrote this dribble, it is exactly in line with the popular myths and stories of that period.
What makes me angry as an ex Christian though, is not Christians, god, hell, the church, but rather that I'm angry at myself for believing this dribble and buying so effectively into this unbelievable nonsense, and more that i taught others to do likewise. For that I will never forgive myself.
At least Calvinists are do away with the whole 'free will' problem by saying we could not have chosen otherwise.. ever, and the consensus in science seems to be on their side.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...ll/480750/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scienc...08181.html
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/min...free-will/
I believe the free will argument is simply a cop out, but even if we grant free will we have another problem, why would a god create a world where it was inevitable that many would sin, and then make the punishment for sin death, then add to that make that death not really death at all, but eternal torture. This leads on to all kinds of stupid debates, I was on a Christian site the other day, they were arguing about where hell actually was, was it spiritual, was it below volcanos, unbelievable !
Put simply the punishment for sin did not have to be death (unless god is bound by rules above himself), and certainly did not have to be eternal torture, especially seeing as he so readily and easily accommodated sin in the first place. God is fully responsible for this situation, to blame humanity for the mess of his creation is reprehensible, dishonest and to me shows the full nature of the men who wrote this dribble, it is exactly in line with the popular myths and stories of that period.
What makes me angry as an ex Christian though, is not Christians, god, hell, the church, but rather that I'm angry at myself for believing this dribble and buying so effectively into this unbelievable nonsense, and more that i taught others to do likewise. For that I will never forgive myself.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'
