RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 18, 2017 at 1:15 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2017 at 1:49 pm by possibletarian.)
(November 18, 2017 at 1:55 am)Godscreated Wrote:(November 16, 2017 at 12:21 am)possibletarian Wrote: Maybe that's because you answer don't really answer anything, spouting wrath and hellfire and claiming you have a hotline to god to understand what we cannot, answers nothing.
Quote:That doesn't address a thing I said in the above post, so it's not me that's saying nothing. I've answered all your questions it's not my fault you do not like the truth and it makes me wonder why you even keep asking questions. You have in your head the answers you want to hear, unfortunately they are not the truth.
GC
Fair enough, but why do you believe what you say to be truth, if all you are doing is repeating in a thoughtless parrot fashion what is written elsewhere ?
What means have you used to test if it is truth or not ?
(November 18, 2017 at 12:05 am)SteveII Wrote:(November 17, 2017 at 8:48 pm)possibletarian Wrote: Bold Mine*
How could you possibly know that ? He really has not made it clear to anyone, even Christians say they can offer no evidence. When atheists ask 'why does god not make himself known'? and the counter claims is of course, well if that happened you would have to believe, and so loose your free will, which argument is it?
I think it's a legitimate question, simply claiming it as an emotional one answers little, if anything. To me it's an entirely logical one, Would i bring people about that I knew would suffer for the sake of so called 'free will' , (assuming free will exists at all, which is against the current thinking) no i wouldn't, the argument is entirely logical.
Quote:Because the Bible says it. (Romans 1:18-20).
And you know the bible to be true how ?
Quote:If you run across a Christian who says there is no evidence, they don't know what they are talking about. I imagine there are more Christians ignorant of evidence/doctrine /systematic theology than there are atheists in the world.
Why do you believe your doctrine to be true, as opposed to perhaps other Christians doctrines, or other faiths, why are yours specifically truthful ?
Quote:Well, there was the time he made himself known pretty convincingly in the early first century. He also makes himself know in that there is something rather than nothing, and the something is pretty good.
Well yes lots of people believed in the first century, but we are talking of a time when people stoned people for ludicrous offences, floods were either a result of witchcraft or gods wrath etc.
And how does something rather than nothing make god known, i mean outside of dated philosophical arguments, can nothing even exist ?
You really don't need to invent a god to be sure that things exist you simply have to accept that they do, to answer 'I don't know instead' of making up a god is by far a superior answer. Something from nothing implies that you have knowledge that there ever was nothing, which of course is not knowledge you could possibly have.
Quote:No, it is not a logical question. It's an argument from incredulity. "I can't imagine a God who would..." It is not "It is not logically possible that God had a good reason for creating the world".
Oh I don't believe in god that's you, and it's not an argument, it's a question, one that you only seem capable of answering from a book that you cannot even give a good reason to believe and further more that you defend regardless of how illogical. It is based on pure belief that it is in fact the word of one of many gods.
Again simply asserting a argument or question is emotional does not make it so.
(November 18, 2017 at 1:55 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(November 16, 2017 at 1:54 am)Astreja Wrote: Wot?
Seriously?
GC, this is a forum, not your living room. You don't get to say whether or not a conversation is "meant for" anyone.
I can reply as I see fit. IN my living room If someone starts to answer questions for someone else they will be asked to wait their time or butt out. When I'm in a conversation with someone and the answers and questions are meant specifically for that someone I do not need for someone else to answer for them nor pretend I addressed the one butting in. So bug off and go bother someone else.
GC
Of course you can reply as you see fit , but don't be surprised when others do likewise.
'Those who ask a lot of questions may seem stupid, but those who don't ask questions stay stupid'