RE: Find out how much you're getting screwed...
December 23, 2017 at 1:15 am
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2017 at 1:35 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(December 23, 2017 at 12:30 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:(December 22, 2017 at 8:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: My bold.They do exist. Because that is literally what i was taught as a Catholic. It could be she was going off her own curriculum, she had a lot of wacky beliefs, but she existed and taught every catholic child in my parish that. Its not an uncommon belief at all amoung conservative Catholics. It could be that your parish is just more liberal, I don't really know. We were only one step from having a latin mass. So these beliefs definitely exist. Thw vatican, believe it or not, doesn't magically control every minutia of every parish. I know, because its what I wad taught. Then later learned about the natural family planning, which as I said, couple with 5 children told me.
Sounds like your CCD teacher was making up her own rules then, because thats just not true at all. NFP (natural family planning/timed abstinence) is huge in the Church for couples who want to avoid pregnancy. It was actually part of our mandatory pre marriage prep.
As for Catholic people believing different things, I mean, sure... many do. But official Catholic teaching is laid out all very clearly in the CCC. If someone believes something different (like that sex is a sin unless yoire trying to make babies) that's their own rules, not official church teaching. Ive never known anyone who thinks that, but I dont doubt that they exist in the fringes.
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But the point is, as an atheist now examining this it all just seems so silly. Irregardless of whether its strict about sex for procreation or not. This is a sexual system crafted by elderly virgins. And in hindsight of course its going to be ridiculous. I would never let elderly virgins tell me when to fuck. Natural pregnancy cycle or not. Ill just use birth control and fuck when I want to.
Luckily most Catholics agree with me, and morally approve and use birth control at the same rate as the rest of the population. So it really actually doesn't matter in the slightest what the Vatican says, not even to Catholics.
Hmm, interesting.
Ive been part of several parishes, went to Catholic school, was in a youth group, and used to be really active on a Catholic forum... and have never come across that sentiment (that non baby making sex is a sin) in my life. Parishes don't make catholic rules. They are on the CCC, and nowhere in there does it say that sex is only moral when you're trying for a baby lol. Thats ridiculous. If so, then NFP wouldn't be widely known and promoted by the Church.
The only subgroup of Catholics that I've ever heard of to be extra strict about sex are the SSPX, who aren't even recognized by the Church because they deviate so much from the mainstream. They have their own special mass and everything. And even they dont claim sex is sinful unless you're trying for a baby. They're just super uptight about modesty and don't like Vatican II.
Im not sure who this lady was or where you were being taught, but she sounds like a real nut job. Let me assure you her claim that sex is sinful unless trying for a baby in no way represents Church teaching on sexual morality. I hate it when people spread misinformation about church teaching, especially if it's something as ridiculous as that.
(December 22, 2017 at 9:14 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:(December 22, 2017 at 3:39 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Oh my goodness, agreeing to have sex with your spouse even though we're not really feeling it at the moment isn't marital rape!![]()
Obviously marital rape is bad.
Though you are correct about the second part. Catholics use timed abstinence during the fertile time of the month as birth control when trying to avoid pregnancy. You don't have to be trying to have a baby every time you have sex. That's just Jehanne spreading more ignorance and misinformation about Catholicism.
I suppose so, though I know there are some schools of feminist thought that could consider the "Not now" "Please, honey?" "Okay" scenario to count as rape. (Hopefully, that's as far as it goes for you.) I really don't think so (I honestly think it feels like it trivialises rape somewhat; I can remember one rape survivor saying about such a scenario "If is rape, then you'd have to invent a whole new word for what happened to me."), but I know that some do.
What do you mean by "hopefully that's as far as it goes for you?"
As for those feminists, they're doing rape victims no favors by tossing the word around like that. I wonder if they'd feel the same way the other way around? Wife wants sex, husband says not now, she says please, and then he agrees. Did she just rape him? Lol.
People assume that it's always the men who want more sex, but that isn't the case at all. Incidentally, I was just texting with my friend earlier this week and she was bitching about how her husband never has sex with her. She has to beg for it.
Yeah, he's a real winner.
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