Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 13, 2024, 7:50 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(December 29, 2017 at 8:18 pm)pocaracas Wrote: The help and support that is not there, would have been closer, if the politicians in charge were more socialist and less capitalist/liberal, don't you think?
Instead, in the states, for some reason, the Republicans/capitalists/liberals are associated with the religious... The core of Christianity, family and helping each other, is completely ignored by those politicians... but people still follow them... And the same thing happens in Europe.

As for worth, a woman can (usually) easily have another child. A child can't easily become a parent. Ultimately, it's about gene perpetuation. If a policy is to be enforced, it should be to favor the woman's life.
Since (or while) no structures exist to support women with unplanned pregnancies, the abortion is a necessity that is felt by some of those women. And they will, if the practice is illegal, perform them clandestinely.
Legal, or illegal, the baby dies. I think this fact is what many in the anti-abortion side don't realize.
Do we, as a society, also want the mother to die? Or have complications arise that will then tax the health care system?

So it seems that you agree, that it is wrong to kill these human beings.  But because some people may try to take things upon themselves and cause further damage or death, it should be legal.  Is this correct?   

Correct.

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You reason that this causes more deaths, but doesn't making abortion legal also cause many more deaths?

The statistics say that the number of abortions go down a few years after they're made legal.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/#PT

I only looked into the Portuguese and Italian cases... Traditionally Catholic countries.
But I'm pretty certain that the scenario repeats for most others.

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:    I have trouble believing some of the numbers I hear for abortions, but they are staggering. 

Too many... And many are teens.
With a flat out ban on abortions, those teens become lifelong parents.

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Someone may be injured or die, trying to break into my house to steal my stuff.  However I don't think that this is a reason to make it legal for them to take my stuff (people do it anyway).  Nor am I saying that my stuff is worth more than their life by saying it should be illegal.

Lifelong parenthood makes this analogy a bit faulty, doesn't it?

(December 29, 2017 at 9:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Now if you want to talk about care that is needed by those who feel they have no choice.... I'm all for it.  Educate them on what options are available, and make more available.  Yes.
I don't think that finances are really a question, any more than if you are saying that they should be able to kill their toddler, because they cannot handle the burden anymore.

I believe that finances (or the perceived finances) still play a role in quite a few of the people who decide to abort.

As for support, I'm all for it too.
Education to minimize (or ideally eradicate) teen pregnancies. Clearly, whatever has been done in the bible belt states has worked against this, so maybe it's time to implement whatever has been working in Bangladesh, no?
Adults sometimes need to spend the final months of pregnancy without work, without stress, and off their feet. Who is going to keep their jobs like this?
And, after birth, in Europe it's common for the mother to have 3 months of paid leave. Some countries even stretch it out to a whole year. But, after that, if you want your job back... How can you expect it to be there for you, when you return? Not to mention daycare costs... If more than half your income goes into daycare, something's wrong, no?
Education, some people use it as contraception. Teach them what really happens and add a fee to each abortion... Perhaps one that rises exponentially with each abortion... All the while providing pamphlets and mini-courses on proper contraceptive methods. Make people take small tests and sign them to make sure they've learned something.

All the while not shunning those who still don't know, those who saw their contraceptive method fail, those who were raped, etc...
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions - by pocaracas - December 30, 2017 at 6:59 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Burning down the House Brian37 12 1250 December 11, 2020 at 8:22 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  Michigan Bans Open Carry of Firearms at Polling Places onlinebiker 101 6570 October 29, 2020 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: The Architect Of Fate
  California High Capacity Magazine Ban Shot Down. onlinebiker 73 2892 August 25, 2020 at 1:37 am
Last Post: Peebothuhlu
  St. Louis attorneys draw down on protestors passing by. Gawdzilla Sama 97 6206 July 20, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Ohio At It Again BrianSoddingBoru4 16 1184 December 1, 2019 at 12:19 am
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  More religious liberty in Ohio brewer 42 2995 November 21, 2019 at 12:37 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Michigan Bans Flavored E Cigarettes onlinebiker 48 4017 September 13, 2019 at 1:49 pm
Last Post: Aegon
  Nine killed in Dayton, Ohio EgoDeath 120 9113 August 14, 2019 at 10:33 pm
Last Post: EgoDeath
  Bounty Hunters found not guilty in case of gunning down innocent black man Cecelia 21 1605 August 3, 2019 at 8:49 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  FB bans 'dangerous' individuals Foxaèr 155 9935 May 13, 2019 at 2:37 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)