RE: Proof that God exists
January 4, 2018 at 11:59 pm
(This post was last modified: January 5, 2018 at 12:02 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 1, 2018 at 12:24 pm)Agnosty Wrote: I believe laws are observed regularities and we inherited our science terminology from theology where a creator issued laws that nature obeyed; now we have the laws of thermodynamics as if nature must obey them rather than merely that we have observed some regularities in nature.Who's this "we" business?

Quote:I believe the "law" terminology promotes an erroneous way of thinking: rather than dismiss an idea because it broke a law, we'd dismiss it because it's inconsistent with what we've regularly observed to be true; that way we can first decide if the regularities are local to us or universal and weigh the competing evidence without feeling monarchical.It's a valid concern (but mostly because of what I would call user error or ignorance), a common failure or feature of language is that we use one word to convey more than just one singular concept. Not for nothing, but dismissing something because it runs afoul of natural law and dismissing something because it's inconsistent with what we regularly observe are two ways of saying the same thing. That -is- what "we" are doing. There's no "rather" there, only semantics.
We understand that when a person says "car" - they aren't referring to a chariot, even though that's what we assume the word to be derived from.
Quote:I have a bit of a theist lean mainly because I have trouble believing that a bunch of junk could assimilate by means of a dumb, mechanical process into the writer of this post, but I've rejected the idea of a monarchical deity barking orders because it doesn't make any sense.Is there some reason that you think an "atheist lean" would imply what you have trouble believing? I can provide some comfort there - no one thinks that a dumb, mechanical process assimilated a bunch of junk into you.
That's not how babies are born.

Quote:I'm currently considering the eastern line of thinking and find it's well-aligned with the goals of the atheist community (in fact, most buddhists could be considered atheists. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta But I'm not buddhist.). I'm also a fan of Christopher Hitchens and I'm pretty sure I've placed some wear n tear on youtube's servers with some bouts of obsessive listening (what a wordsmith he was). Anyway, I say that because I hope you won't view me as an enemy, even though we may disagree on trivial points.Beware the ad copy of eastern spiritualism.
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