RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
February 13, 2018 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: February 13, 2018 at 2:25 pm by SteveII.)
(February 13, 2018 at 12:52 am)Grandizer Wrote: Steve, you keep arguing that it is impossible to complete a potential infinity. I agree, but this is not an argument against an already completed actual infinity. The present is already here because its always been, not because the past moments stop existing. Yes, there are connections between this and that, but these are static connections. One movie frame does not cause the next frame even though they may be connected. And there is a certain perceived direction of time in this local universe, but this has more to do with how weve evolved in combination with the fact that this local universe started out with low entropy that just happens to increase. In other universes, it may be the other way around. Who knows.
Also, yes, this universe has that Big Bang thingy at the start (perhaps), but these are all moments that are a part of an frozen eternal structure. Even your state of consciousness at each moment is part of it.
1. You just said we can't get to an actual infinity by adding--but you can already have one???? How does that make any sense? Even in metaphysics, you have to follow the rules of logic. You hand-wave an actual infinity into existence because you need it for your theory--a theory whose sole purpose is to avoid a beginning. This is a perfect example of needing a theory that does x and then back-filling it with whatever crazy concepts you need to (regardless of if they are logical) and then declaring "according to the theory..." Don't think that's what you and Polymath are doing? Neither one of you has even attempted to explain it--just assert it over and over as part of the "theory."
2. Even if you subscribe to the B-theory of time, that spacetime block is only 13.6 billions years old. It has a definite beginning. If you claim the block is eternal, you are not talking about what cosmologists are talking about. It seems you have a whole different theory--one that I have still not seen one link or quote from. BTW, I read the whole Wiki article on Eternalism. It does not claim anything eternal.
3. It also does not claim there is anything other than the obvious causality we experience. I think they use the term "cone" to illustrate causality in a block-time universe.
