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Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many?
(February 13, 2018 at 4:28 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(February 13, 2018 at 4:20 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I had a couple of questions on your first response here (I hope you don't mind)

An infinity is by definition unbound.   How can you have a completed infinity or something that is already infinite?

1.)    Why not?

Quote:What are you claiming of God, that is an actual infinity?

2.)  Is God's presence finite?

Quote:It also seems to me, that in utilizing the B theory of time in such a way, in talking about an infinite amount of time, you are talking about time in two different ways.  And really their is not reason to assert that the block of time is eternal, anymore than it was born yesterday.

3.)   Two different ways of analyzing the world means two different languages (sets of words) to use. Water is a bunch of H2Os at molecular level, but zoom far out, and we don't see H2Os literally, just liquid water.


1.)   It is unbound by definition, you can't have it complete and thus bound.  An actual infinity keeps going and going with more to go after that.  It doesn't finish, hence an infinity

2.)  God's is omnipresent, but this isn't a mathematical  value.  It's not saying that God is present in an infinite number of places, but that God is present in all places.  God is not physical and is not bound in that way.    When dealing with the problems of an actual infinity, the problem is dealing with infinite in a quantitative sense.  I think that when you find talk of God and "infinite" you will often find that it is in this different sense.

3.)  Thanks for clarifying.  Would I be understanding correctly then, that it would be more accurate to state that the block of time in this view is eternal, rather than infinite time?  You would need to posit another time containing the block of time.   It also seems like even here, that you may be going back to an A theory understanding of time.

I go back and forth on the A/B theory of time.  I either heard or read somewhere, that the physical relation and effects of gravity to time, give us a reason for the B theory.   Everything else in all of our experiences and in everything that assumes cause and effect (such as science) points to the A theory.   I sometimes lean to more of  compatibility view of sorts (if that makes any sense)   B theorist loose me however, when they start talking towards there not being a causal relationship within time, or that one moment is independent of the ones before and after it.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: Jesus as Lord - why is this appealing to so many? - by RoadRunner79 - February 13, 2018 at 5:16 pm

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