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Rebellion against god

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February 17, 2018 at 12:34 am (This post was last modified: February 17, 2018 at 12:34 am by LadyForCamus.)

(February 17, 2018 at 12:30 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Yeah, that's one of the thing that gets me about Christianity.

"God doesn't reveal himself because he values free will, and doesn't want to impede it." Bwuh? How does revealing himself eliminate free will? There's ample proof that our planet is round, yet many people still believe it's flat. I fail to see why credible evidence for a god, any god, would magically eliminate free will, or why ancient myths and preachers are required at all.
Who makes up this stuff?

What a good question!

Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken.

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