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Rebellion against god
#51
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 16, 2018 at 10:59 pm)Banned Wrote: To what extent should they be able to defend themselves against these monsters?
A look can kill or just a nasty sting?
Or perhaps camouflage?

Sufficient physical armour and power to neutralize the attack.  Perhaps a force field that reflects all of the attack back on the attacker.
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#52
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 16, 2018 at 10:41 pm)ohreally Wrote: Is this a response meant for adults or 7 year old kids?   I can't believe you think this is compelling in any way.

It always has to be faith because there is no god, it relies upon people.  You have to make all of this stuff up in your head because there is nothing to come down and show itself.

So what is it you want to see?

(February 16, 2018 at 11:09 pm)Astreja Wrote: Sufficient physical armour and power to neutralize the attack.  Perhaps a force field that reflects all of the attack back on the attacker.

Does the victim (no longer a victim thanks to an equalizing force field) have control over this, or is it automatic, like an animal's response?
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#53
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 16, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Banned Wrote:
(February 16, 2018 at 9:08 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: (sigh) I have the flu.  I just don't have the energy to address all of that crazy right now.
You can't convince me of anything about the afterlife, God, or the Devil until you prove they exist.  And nobody has been able to do that up until now.
In order to accomplish that feat, you are going to have to get a deity to show up in person.  In front of TV cameras and a team of scientists.  
And you REALLY need to do some more research on human biology, DNA, and development, if you think that ONE pair starts the human race.  Wow.

The condition of the relationship to God will never be showmanship, as the devil would have it, but plain trust/faith, nothing more and nothing less.

What if you were granted a show from heaven, like trumpets, bright angels, whatever, how many people should see it and which one of them can't be labelled as deluded?
And what if you thought you were going mental?
What proof would you have, and how would you explain it to the media?

Would a video recording or a team of nerds with clip boards be convincing?
Or how about an article in a peer reviewed science magazine?
Or how about a reliable TV interview with the mad woman?
How could you prove that you and your group weren't set up to some kind of publicized joke?
Hello YouTube.

What if a whole football stadium of people saw "it" ?

Is it possible to fool the entire world?

How many millions in China believed that Chairman Mao makes the sunrise? They couldn't all be wrong?

What if God put on a light show for the entire world?
It would not change their attitude about who he was, there would still be room for doubt and rebellion, just like there was with the angels who knew God.
Seeing God did not stop the delusion and rebellion there.

We are talking about trust and genuine love here - nothing can prove that - unless that pure love becomes a human being, and suffers misrepresentation, persecution and the death of a foolish criminal. Apparently that was a failure.

The universe is so vast that you could be so far from heaven...where your home is,  how would you handle doubts about your safety?
Would you ask for a sign or just trust that you are important enough to God to give his life for?

What do you do in your relationships, do you send them to a clinical trial just to prove they like you, or do you just trust?

(February 16, 2018 at 9:32 pm)Astreja Wrote:




And after all of that, you're yammering on about your imaginary friend again.  He doesn't exist, and he has never existed.  Any being that (purportedly) created the entire universe, billions upon billions of galaxies, unfathomable distances, can find a reasonable way to provide an infinitesimal group of primates with proof of its existence that doesn't involve books of fantasies or lying con men.  Particularly con men who insist upon blind obedience and "trust" and "faith" because they need control over groups of people, because they know they have no proof of ANY of the ignorant vomit that they are spewing. Your universe-creator can speak for itself, in a way that is clear and obvious to all.  When it does, it will be worthy of some attention.  Until then piss off.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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#54
RE: Rebellion against god
Yeah, that's one of the thing that gets me about Christianity.

"God doesn't reveal himself because he values free will, and doesn't want to impede it." Bwuh? How does revealing himself eliminate free will? There's ample proof that our planet is round, yet many people still believe it's flat. I fail to see why credible evidence for a god, any god, would magically eliminate free will, or why ancient myths and preachers are required at all.
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#55
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 16, 2018 at 11:44 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: And after all of that, you're yammering on about your imaginary friend again.  He doesn't exist, and he has never existed.  Any being that (purportedly) created the entire universe, billions upon billions of galaxies, unfathomable distances, can find a reasonable way to provide an infinitesimal group of primates with proof of its existence that doesn't involve books of fantasies or lying con men.  Particularly con men who insist upon blind obedience and "trust" and "faith" because they need control over groups of people, because they know they have no proof of ANY of the ignorant vomit that they are spewing. Your universe-creator can speak for itself, in a way that is clear and obvious to all.  When it does, it will be worthy of some attention.  Until then piss off.

So if God puts on a little science show for us, how will the deaf, or the blind, or the severely disabled get their proof?
I guess the disabled will just have to miss out.

But if the proof comes from faith within that God has given as free gift, then all can know the truth.
Such a gift ensures that the ones who think they are better than God will not enter eternal life.
Why would anyone with sense allow the new world to be populated by total creeps?
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#56
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 17, 2018 at 12:12 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 16, 2018 at 11:44 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: And after all of that, you're yammering on about your imaginary friend again.  He doesn't exist, and he has never existed.  Any being that (purportedly) created the entire universe, billions upon billions of galaxies, unfathomable distances, can find a reasonable way to provide an infinitesimal group of primates with proof of its existence that doesn't involve books of fantasies or lying con men.  Particularly con men who insist upon blind obedience and "trust" and "faith" because they need control over groups of people, because they know they have no proof of ANY of the ignorant vomit that they are spewing. Your universe-creator can speak for itself, in a way that is clear and obvious to all.  When it does, it will be worthy of some attention.  Until then piss off.

So if God puts on a little science show for us, how will the deaf, or the blind, or the severely disabled get their proof?
I guess the disabled will just have to miss out.

But if the proof comes from faith within that God has given as free gift, then all can know the truth.
Such a gift ensures that the ones who think they are better than God will not enter eternal life.
Why would anyone with sense allow the new world to be populated by total creeps?

Why should I believe in a god?  What good reason is there to believe a god exists?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#57
RE: Rebellion against god
Quote:So if God puts on a little science show for us, how will the deaf, or the blind, or the severely disabled get their proof?
I guess the disabled will just have to miss out.
Apparently god's son can cure blindness but not god . In order to see the evidence .


Quote:But if the proof comes from faith within that God has given as free gift, then all can know the truth.
Or can could cure all those things so people could see it . And not expect people to believe based on nothing .

Quote:Such a gift ensures that the ones who think they are better than God will not enter eternal life
From what i can see people are already better than your god . 

Quote:Why would anyone with sense allow the new world to be populated by total creeps?
As opposed to people like you who are assholes . I cringe at a world with just one of you.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#58
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Yeah, that's one of the thing that gets me about Christianity.

"God doesn't reveal himself because he values free will, and doesn't want to impede it." Bwuh? How does revealing himself eliminate free will? There's ample proof that our planet is round, yet many people still believe it's flat. I fail to see why credible evidence for a god, any god, would magically eliminate free will, or why ancient myths and preachers are required at all.

How does revealing himself cause one to appreciate his character - which was assassinated by those who once lived in his presence?

The people who were saved out of Egyptian slavery, what did they do when God revealed himself - they ran and worshiped the golden calf.

God revealing himself would achieve nothing for the majority of sinners.
How long should a revelation last to be convincing anyway?

You don't comment on the wonder of the sun every hour do you?
Think of human nature.

And how does God revealing himself suddenly remove free will?
Who makes up this stuff?
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#59
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 17, 2018 at 12:30 am)Banned Wrote:
(February 16, 2018 at 11:50 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Yeah, that's one of the thing that gets me about Christianity.

"God doesn't reveal himself because he values free will, and doesn't want to impede it."  Bwuh?  How does revealing himself eliminate free will?  There's ample proof that our planet is round, yet many people still believe it's flat.  I fail to see why credible evidence for a god, any god, would magically eliminate free will, or why ancient myths and preachers are required at all.
Who makes up this stuff?

What a good question!
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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#60
RE: Rebellion against god
(February 17, 2018 at 12:26 am)Tizheruk Wrote: As opposed to people like you who are assholes . I cringe at a world with just one of you.

Which raises the question, why do you hang around and talk to people like me?
Are you mental or something?
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