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Pence VS. Rippon
RE: Pence VS. Rippon
(February 19, 2018 at 3:44 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: That Federalist article sure was a lot of spin, that's for sure.  A Flock of Seagulls would've been proud.

This part:

Quote:In reality, Pence went out of his way to modify a religious freedom bill in 2015 as governor of Indiana to ensure no discrimination towards gay people.

Is especially hilarious, given that Pence only did that after a national outcry which featured boycotts/threats of boycotts of the state.  So, no, Pence didn't sign the anti-discrimination portion of the bill out of the goodness of his heart, or because of any deep conviction.  He did it because of PR reasons and economic pressures.  That he signed the bill without such protections in place says a hell of a lot more about him than fixing it after the fact when it was clear his state was going to suffer economically because of it.

The Ryan White Care Act dance is also farcical.  Such groups at the time were already stressing the importance of safe sex, and doing things like offering free condoms.  And, again, Pence has had ample opportunity to flat out say "I don't support - and have never supported - conversion therapy."  He's, instead, always danced around the issue.

So, who's misinformed again?  I have a pretty clear idea.

The Pink article cited previously also had a lot of spin also.... 

Also, as I said, I'm just learning about Pence right now.  So I'm willing to hear facts and reason.   The emotionally charged rhetoric that was started with, not so much (especially when it is based on little to nothing).  In reality I think that making a determination about someones motives is much more complicated than either blurb.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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Pence VS. Rippon - by Fake Messiah - February 15, 2018 at 8:11 am
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