RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 8, 2018 at 11:23 am
(March 8, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote:(March 7, 2018 at 7:09 am)Lutrinae Wrote: A convenient, rubbish, apologetic that frees the believer from any intellectual responsibility. The same untruthful line could be used to personally validate belief in anything, and has been used to such an extent even especially by mentally ill people who prefer delusion over reality.
Okay Mr. Smarty, show me where in scripture God says we have to prove His existence to anyone. Christians can't even prove it to themselves, God reveals His existence to us, like I said it is His work. Then deluded one is the one who answered my post and wrote the above rubbish.
GC
(March 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: In 1979, in music college, a professor told us "Never, under any circumstances, take a church job. BUT! We're musicians, and we have to eat. So most of you will." (-- I should have changed majors right there. ) There are atheist church musician support groups - I'm a member of one. It's impossible to guess how many of us there are, obviously, since in order to keep our weekend jobs we can't be "out". (There are a lot of gay church musicians too.) In the Bible Belt, the best guess is 20% of church musicians. Some of my friends in Boston and LA are sure that the number of atheist church musicians is more than 50%.
Anyone who claims to have a personal relationship with an entity that cannot be seen, heard, or felt, and needs a human being to tell other human beings what its wants and needs are . . . oh yeah, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. And, of course, that's a basic tenet of logic and debate. You have been told this dozens of times on this forum, but you stubbornly dispute it, because you cannot prove your pet deity exists.
I've said many times here that I can not prove He exists to the satisfaction of those who deliberately blind themselves to the truth. I can tell you this I doubt you will find many atheist musicians in Southern Baptist churches. You treat me as if I'm stupid, yet you play music as an atheist every Sunday morning for something you do not even believe in, so who is the traitor to their own beliefs, I bet the churches you play for do not know you are an atheist, do they, bet you just go about acting out the part of a Christian just to get paid,a double standard that is nothing short of a lie. Have you no shame, pretending to be something you are not, betraying who you are and you all call me crazy.
GC
Oh, I have been trying for years to find a job that will pay me enough to insure that I never have to set foot into the loony-bin again. (I even got a second Masters to make this happen. Don't try to change careers in your 50's. Not a good idea.) I personally know two atheists who entertain the "Southern Baptists" every weekend, and that's just in our little town. Yes, it's irritating. But I do take notes on the readings and interpretations for my journal of "idiotic things that I have heard from the pulpit" - our atheist musician group meets every other month, and our notes make for a lot of hilarity. That helps. Most of the choir members and director know I don't believe, and they like me anyway.
As many of us here have said, we're not "deliberately blinding ourselves to the truth". We honestly don't think your sky fairy exists. No evidence. That goes for those of us who were raised Southern Baptist. I personally feel as if I have been freed from a delusion. There is no god. There is no afterlife.
You cannot prove your imaginary friend exists. Then what are you doing here, preaching to a bunch of atheists who think you sound like a kid who is screaming because we just told him Santa Claus doesn't exist? All you do is call us stupid and say that "the scriptures" (lol) say this or don't say that. As if that offensive book has any meaning. It seems to me that you just think you have all the answers, you're "blessed" (a term that means my imaginary friend loves me better than those guys over there), and that you really get off on telling people that they are WRONG and you are RIGHT and "I don't have any proof and I don't have to give any proof". Pathetic.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein