RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 21, 2018 at 7:44 pm
(This post was last modified: March 21, 2018 at 7:45 pm by GrandizerII.)
(March 21, 2018 at 2:16 pm)He lives Wrote:(March 21, 2018 at 12:44 am)Grandizer Wrote: Fair enough then. But why the need for God in this case? If matter has always been, that is.
I'm all eyes and ears. It's just that reports of experiences with heaps of differences (involving different deities and visions and manifestations depending on one's culture) and easily explained as products of human psychology aren't going to be convincing.
We need God because we would not exist without him.
It's more the other way around. Gods need us because they would not exist without us.
Quote:Everyone has their own perception even during a NDE. However there are many commonalities.
Commonalities in this case do not overcome the decrease in credence due to differences, especially that commonalities can perfectly be explained by commonalities in our human brains and in our cultures and experiences. In other words, the differences are there, and they point more to the likelihood of these experiences being due to natural processes happening in the brain. If NDEs were due to the supernatural, then we would expect far more consistency in these experiences. We don't see that consistency. This is mainly why supernatural explanations fail in this case.
Quote:I have read many books on NDEs and I am convinced there is much more to a NDE than it being a dream or a hallucination. There are people with enough faith to defy scientific reality.
Once again, nothing in what you say here lends further credence to NDEs being due to the supernatural.
(March 21, 2018 at 4:15 pm)He lives Wrote:(March 21, 2018 at 5:19 am)Banned Wrote: I haven't read the comments on NDE's. It's not what people think it is, but just the mind experiencing it's own chemical cocktail.
That has been proven inaccurate. Many NDEs have nothing to do with drugs, lack of oxygen, or chemicals released by the body.
Bullshit on NDEs having nothing to do with chemicals in the body.