RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 24, 2018 at 10:17 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2018 at 11:57 pm by vulcanlogician.)
(March 24, 2018 at 9:27 pm)He lives Wrote: Her physical brain was not conscious during the operation, but her spirit saw everything that was happening during the operation. When she woke up she remembered everything her spirit had seen. That is how she was able to describe everything that happened. I still don't think you are understanding what I am saying here.
YES WE DO! I read the link you dropped. Half of it was irrelevant, the other half presented a very shaky case. Did you bother to read the article that Jor linked a page or so back?
Here are some highlights...
Quote:Of course, the issue of whether Pam was "really" dead within standstill is an extraordinarily misleading red herring in this context. And it is blatantly irresponsible for Sabom to explicitly state that her NDE occurred "while in this state." As Sabom's own account reveals, her standstill condition had absolutely nothing to do with the time when we know that her near-death OBE began: A full two hours and five minutes before the medical staff even began to cool her blood, during perfectly normal body temperature!
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About one or two in a thousand patients undergoing general anesthesia report some form of anesthesia awareness. That represents between 20,000 and 40,000 patients a year within the United States alone. A full 48% of these patients report auditory recollections postoperatively, while only 28% report feeling pain during the experience
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First, there is the observation that only part of her head was shaved. Perhaps she could have guessed this at the time of her experience, but there is no need even for this in order to account for the reported observation. Surely Pam would have noticed this soon after awaking from general anesthesia—by seeing her reflection, feeling her hair, or being asked about it by visitors. And she certainly would have known about it, one way or the other, by the time she was released from the hospital. Indeed, if her hair had been shaved presurgery, or at any time prior to her general anesthesia, she would have known about it well before her OBE. And patients undergoing such a risky procedure are standardly given a consent briefing where even the cosmetic effects of surgery are outlined—if not explicitly in a doctor's explanation, then at least incidentally in any photographs, diagrams, or other sources illustrating what the procedure entails.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...s.html#pam
Why don't you read the article in the above link and see if you think it makes a good/bad attempt to debunk Reynolds' NDE? I read your article (and watched your video). Why don't you give us your opinion on a skeptical assessment of Reynols' claim?
