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What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 27, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Drich Wrote:
(March 26, 2018 at 12:54 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I posted that time was NOT considered a 4th dimension, and also posted an article backing up my claim.  You were correct, I was ignorant of the Minkowski work.  So I thank you for leading me to further research.

It is a globally-accepted fact that science is ever-changing.  "Faith", however, is defined is claiming to know something that you cannot possibly know - claiming to know something that has absolutely no verifiable data to prove its veracity.  Therefore, the term "faith" to me is insulting.  I also do not "believe" Sagan, Einstein, Hawking, etc.  I respect their hard-earned skills, work ethic, and abilities.  I find them to be admirable and reputable sources of information.

There are no such reputable sources of information for the existence of a deity, or of non-corporeal entities of any sort.  I see no evidence for the existence of a god.  "Belief" has no place in my world.  If you need such things in your life, fine.  Do not dare to assume that I need them in mine.

Peace.
Faith is not defined in such a way.

Faith is belief without complete knowledge. it does not say faith is belief in something you can not know.

That is a lie and foolish belief in order to try and ground science and put god out of reach.

In truth for both science and belief in God one starts out without complete knowledge of both. however with both if you properly emerse yourself you will find proof to support your beliefs. now the only difference is that when you find proof of God those 'facts' never change. however in this very case belief in something as foolish as the idea that time is a dimensional form of measurement is based on which group of 'scientists you want to believe in. are you with enstien or are you with the list of people you listed which if I remember correctly included carl sagen and steven hawkin...

How can you be so foolish or blind as to see your beliefs are based on what the most popular in a given field believes.... 

I wish you could ask old "speak and spell" what he believes now about God. I'm sure it would not make a difference because you would simply find another group of like minded people to blindly follow.

I accept current facts and findings.  I do not "believe" in anything that cannot be measured, seen, touched, and defined.  It's that simple.  If the time should come when someone proves that a soul, or any spirit of any type exists, then I will accept that as true and change my stance.  My definition of faith comes from Peter Boghossian, I like his books.  "In truth for both science and belief in God one starts out without complete knowledge of both."  True . . . but science is generally gathering information on something that exists, and "studying" god is simply indulging in fantasy.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold? - by drfuzzy - March 27, 2018 at 5:25 pm

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