RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 30, 2018 at 3:16 pm
(March 30, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 30, 2018 at 10:09 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Seriously?!?!?
Do you people really think I am the only person who thinks this way?
Here are some liber/non God affiliated sources who take the same view as I do that there is indeed a measure of faith in science because all of science is not known. maybe they can exlain it to the degree you need to understand.
https://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/24/opini...avies.html
https://www.edge.org/conversation/paul_d...e-on-faith
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2013/0...uire-faith
The NPR article is especially enlightening (Which mean you should skip it if you wish to retain a closed mind.)
The crux of it highlights the construction of the hadron super colider in search of the higgsboson particle. Now if you are unaware the h/b was touted as the 'god particle' it was to unlock all the secretes of subatomic creation and tie all theories together. Now before this colider was built is was speculated that the particle existed, why because the found what they thought was particle decay from this particle in smaller coliders... Now it took over a trillion euros to build this POS colider based on "Scientific fact." then the ran it, and it blew up. they fixed it and ran it again for like 4 years what did they find the same particle decay as before, but this time this 'evidence' was enough to confirm the particle.
Now tell me you do not see 'faith' being used to justify the expenditure of trillions of euros...
drfuzzy Reply :
Something has gone all wonky with the quote tags here.
People use the term "faith" for many, many reasons. I have scientist friends who do use it in the sense of "I have faith that the data is pointing to ____ and eventually we will find ____." It's a term they were raised with - as was I. It doesn't HAVE to have any religious connotation at all. LHC scientists and others use it, fine. Some scientists are theists and use it, fine. Who cares?
For me, the term is an insult. I refuse to use it. Simple.
That's just it sport, they are not using the word "faith for many different reasons."
As I pointed out in the beginning by defining the word you all have mischaracterized the term to mean something it does not. so as to protect yourselves from being like the blissfully ignorant. when in fact at the beginning of your journey in science Faith is required no matter what you believe.
So then it all comes down to a matter of preference as to what you want to believe. If you argue the superiority of either over the other as to not require basic faith then you show signs of indoctrination in whatever you believe. As you refuse to acknowledge the truth of the very definition of the word Faith. If you can not accept the truth then your mind is not yours as it belongs to those who pull at the strings of science. That my poor lost friend is the very definition of indoctrination. to deny truth and substitute with what you want to be true!
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drfuzzy Reply
"poor lost friend"
I happen to be grateful every day that I no longer have any "faith" or follow any dogma, and I happen to think that my mind has been freed from religious chains.
So what if you think I have been "indoctrinated"? I claim to have been freed from indoctrination, and it's my life and my choice and none of your business.
I'm not "sport". If you are telling me that you think I need to change my lack of "beliefs" and that I need your guidance, you are not my friend, you're just an egotistical asshole.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein