What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[Drich]

drfuzzy Reply :
Something has gone all wonky with the quote tags here.
People use the term "faith" for many, many reasons.  I have scientist friends who do use it in the sense of "I have faith that the data is pointing to ____ and eventually we will find ____."   It's a term they were raised with - as was I.  It doesn't HAVE to have any religious connotation at all.  LHC scientists and others use it, fine.  Some scientists are theists and use it, fine.  Who cares?  

For me, the term is an insult.  I refuse to use it.  Simple.

That's just it sport, they are not using the word "faith for many different reasons."

As I pointed out in the beginning by defining the word you all have mischaracterized the term to mean something it does not. so as to protect yourselves from being like the blissfully ignorant. when in fact at the beginning of your journey in science Faith is required no matter what you believe.

So then it all comes down to a matter of preference as to what you want to believe. If you argue the superiority of either over the other as to not require basic faith then you show signs of indoctrination in whatever you believe. As you refuse to acknowledge the truth of the very definition of the word Faith. If you can not accept the truth then your mind is not yours as it belongs to those who pull at the strings of science. That my poor lost friend is the very definition of indoctrination. to deny truth and substitute with what you want to be true!

drfuzzy Reply
"poor lost friend"       
I happen to be grateful every day that I no longer have any "faith" or follow any dogma, and I happen to think that my mind has been freed from religious chains.
So what if you think I have been "indoctrinated"?  I claim to have been freed from indoctrination, and it's my life and my choice and none of your business.
I'm not "sport".  If you are telling me that you think I need to change my lack of "beliefs" and that I need your guidance, you are not my friend, you're just an egotistical asshole.
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So says the indoctrination. My person life philosophy is freedom from both religious and secular indoctrinations. It is the ability to live apart from social narratives and the freedom to think for yourself. How do I know you do not think for you self? because your dishonesty and or inability to use the proper definition of faith in describing belief in science. So you are saying it is ok to be indoctrinated if it is in the name of science? What if the scientific community belong to nazi germany? Without God/A set standard how do you know that this soceity's "morality" is indeed moral?