(April 22, 2018 at 6:06 pm)Hammy Wrote:(April 22, 2018 at 6:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If not, then I agree with you Chimp. An atheist can have the same moral values as a theist. They just can't think those moral values (or any moral values) are correct or incorrect.
Or we can think it, like I do. But you think that I'm wrong to think it, right?
I am sure you believe that I genuinely believe that morality is objective without God. You're just confused by it because as far as you're concerned that's not possible without God. Right?
(April 22, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: In other words, as a theist I can claim that rape is objectively immoral, for example. Does that work?
How does God saying something is moral or immoral make it moral or immoral?
Correct, Ham. I do not think you are being dishonest.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
