RE: Hey Trumptards - Enjoy Your Sore Assholes
May 17, 2018 at 1:53 pm
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2018 at 1:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Cap, "you too" wouldn;t really be an effective rebuttal even if it were true.
That;s the part that gnaws at me, and the part that I apply my foolish optimism to. I'd like to imagine that we can return top a state in which other powers don;t necesarrily agree with our positions..but that they recognize our continued existence -as- a power is beneficial to them in some way. That we deserve a seat at the table..even if we no longer own the table at which we all sit.
The only way I can see that happening is if america resumes a front edge position on issues that have global impact. We need to be seen as problem solvers, again, rather than a problem. People with suggestions, rather than impositions and half baked isolationist policies.
(May 17, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:b-mine(May 17, 2018 at 1:39 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I;m foolishly optimistic..but I think we can turn it around. I don;t think we'll ever regain our former position or status, but a respectable downgrade like the UK's is well within our reach...unless we keep screwing the pooch.
We lost forever the ability to actually regain our former position in the 1960s. What we had since the 1960s and before 2016 was the ability to hang on to major parts of the hegemonic position we gained before 1960 through a singularly enlightened understanding that a hegemonic power can only stay great and not be toppled through a death of a thousand cuts inflicted by all the other powers in the world if it used its hegemony in a way that profits and enriches all the other powers, it supported a global order that is essentially fair and provides room to grow and gain on the hegemonic power, and the other powers do not feel the hegemonic power is fundamentally enimical to the core interests of other powers.
That was before 2016. After 2016 we’ve largely dismantled our capacity to hang on to what we could never regain once lost.
That;s the part that gnaws at me, and the part that I apply my foolish optimism to. I'd like to imagine that we can return top a state in which other powers don;t necesarrily agree with our positions..but that they recognize our continued existence -as- a power is beneficial to them in some way. That we deserve a seat at the table..even if we no longer own the table at which we all sit.
The only way I can see that happening is if america resumes a front edge position on issues that have global impact. We need to be seen as problem solvers, again, rather than a problem. People with suggestions, rather than impositions and half baked isolationist policies.
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