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The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself
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RE: The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself
(May 30, 2018 at 2:18 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(May 30, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: Because it jives with the instruction/the map

That doesn't answer the question.  

It does answer the question through the frame work of the practical analogy I provided, while protecting the statement from your attempt to identify a circular argument.


Quote:Your evidence also jives with natural explanations having nothing to do with God, most of which are considerably more probable than your preferred explanation.

This presupposed that God only works supernaturally. granted I have shared several supernatural encounters when the context of the meetings are considered, but this in no way means God can not work through nature. A smart person would recognise God is the God of the natural universe and would create it in such a way, so nature would compliment His want and will rather than opposing nature having to work through nature supernaturally.

 
Quote: Choosing to believe a less likely explanation over a more likely one is an irrational procedure, and thus doesn't count as a method of verification.
It's like you are talk about some one else's account...

I was judge and sent to Hell not knowing of any of the biblical procedure, what heaven offered what Hell was about. and subsequently over the course of my studies verified my experience. The Hell I experienced was so different from the one I use to think of (the one most of you think of) I almost dismissed the whole experience, the only reason I didn't was because of how real and tactile everything was. That memory plays in my mind like any other event would, not like a dream. If this was a natural dream then how could I possible know of the true biblically described Hell if the only version of Hell I knew was the simpsons adaptation of dante' inferno? How would I know the detail contain in the bible that describes judgement and the word that Christ used to condemn me if I never before then picked up a bible? again the format was natural but the content wasn't. You are so intellectually dishonest you seek to separate content from the vehicle in which it the message was delivered?

Now if the God of the bible never used a dream or vision as a way of God directly communicating nor if the bible did not promise an increase of dreams and visions as the end draws near then your argument would be valid. as such Everything I experienced is or can be directly validated by scripture.. mind you this again was experienced by me years before i ever picked up a bible to study it.


Quote: Regardless, you've resorted to arguing in a circle as I said you would.
 Empty conjecture. If a map brings you to your destination then the map or in this case the bible is vetted. The bible promises salvation and direct contact with the Holy Spirit. I followed the directions and found what I have been promised. Hence the bible is vetted.


Quote:I asked you how you know the word of God, you answered the bible.
No i answered I experienced it
being cast into Hell, my judgement by Christ all taught me what atonement is all about. which was nothing like anything I've ever heard from a church I've ever been in.

 
Quote:I asked you how you know that what the bible led you to is God, you answer the bible.
This part is true. so how do I vet my experience? How do I know it was Christ who judge me and Hell is where I was sent? because it is exactly like what is described in the bible. which means, the being I am dealing with is the same God who wrote/inspired the bible. God the Spirit.

Quote: Either you're thinking irrationally, or you're reasoning in a circle.  Perhaps I should have been more precise and said, "That leads to either a circular argument, or other equally faulty argument."  Hardly much difference.
at best you are mistaken at worst you are falsifying my efforts in an attempt to draw a circle where one can not exist. unless.. of course you change key elements of my testimony (as you did and I just corrected) intentionally.
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RE: The believer seems to know god better than he knows himself - by Drich - May 31, 2018 at 9:38 am

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