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Anyone here a Category 7?
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RE: Anyone here a Category 7?
(August 21, 2018 at 2:00 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: In the past I've represented myself as a 7, but that depended on making certain things clear.  When people speak of knowing something, they typically embrace the idea that it is known with absolute certainty.  I liked Mathilda's point about the contextual nature of the meaning of "to know" but I would go even further and suggest that except in certain contexts, such as the question of God, the sense in which absolute certainty is required is never employed.  Not in science.  Not in everyday life.  We don't even ultimately have a firm grasp on what even makes something knowledge.  It's a very divisive philosophical issue.  However, seeing that most people assume the sense of knowing with absolute certainty when discussing the existence of God, and I do hold that my beliefs could be in error, I incline toward a softer stance on the question if I'm not going to fully qualify my remarks as I have done here.  Ultimately it's less a stance about our knowledge of God's non-existence as it is a concession to reasonable dialogue based on shared assumptions.


All good points.  There is almost no other question about which we require absolute certainty to say we know.  But there is another way we could split this question up.  

1)  Are you certain enough that God does not exist that you don't ever wonder if you could be wrong?

2)  Are you certain enough that God does not exist that you would feel justified to insist to a believer that there can be no justification for their belief?

I'd answer yes to 1 but no to 2.  I'm not satisfied that there is a simple explanation for why people believe in God which amounts to their simply being mistaken.  Some people admit to believing in God as a choice, admit they could be mistaken but still choose to live their lives as if God exists.  

Plus, like Boru, I place a great deal of stock in treating others with respect.  If another adult tells me  they find reason enough to believe in God I simply don't feel it is my place to tell them they are wrong.  That doesn't mean that I myself harbor any doubts about dismissing everything supernatural.  But then I myself have faith that the natural world is robust enough to account for everything we may experience.
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Anyone here a Category 7? - by Jehanne - August 21, 2018 at 7:58 am
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