RE: ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity
September 19, 2018 at 4:18 pm
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2018 at 4:21 pm by Fake Messiah.)
I guess moderate Muslims say that ISIS and jihadists are reacting to U.S. foreign policy or British imperialism, but one wonders, what can this possibly have to do with enslaving underage Yazidi girls, killing Turkmen Shias, throwing gays off rooftops, or executing apostates? Perhaps religion is not the only factor driving these atrocities, but rather that of several factors involved, religion is one and a key driver.
And also the fact is that not always Muslims need provocations from Brits, Americans, Jews, violent video games or what ever excuse they use to "react" violently like Jihadi. Take this example from the words of Thomas Jefferson back in 1786 who had a meeting with Tripoli's envoy to London, Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja.
Obviously, this is before the Islamic State or Al Qaeda. It's before the creation of Israel or the Arab-Israeli conflict. It's before Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian revolution; before Saudi Arabia; before the Taliban; before drone strikes; before the Cold War or the World Wars; before Herzl founded the Zionist movement; before Americans knew what jihad or even Islam was; before the United States had ever engaged in any military operation overseas; and importantly well before the existence of any established U.S. foreign policy.
Yet these words about the laws of the Quran, taking slaves, waging holy war, and martyrdom read as if they could just as well have been plucked from any international newspaper in the last week.
Yes, it's just their violent religion and Koran. You can find endorsement for almost all of these actions that Saudis and ISIS do in the Quran. The beheading of disbelievers in verses 8:12–13; the amputation of hands for theft in verse 5:38; domestic violence in 4:34; the killing of polytheists in 9:5; and so on.
And also the fact is that not always Muslims need provocations from Brits, Americans, Jews, violent video games or what ever excuse they use to "react" violently like Jihadi. Take this example from the words of Thomas Jefferson back in 1786 who had a meeting with Tripoli's envoy to London, Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja.
Quote:The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the Laws of the Prophet; that it was written in their Koran; that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found; and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners; and that every Mussulman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/...09-02-0315
Obviously, this is before the Islamic State or Al Qaeda. It's before the creation of Israel or the Arab-Israeli conflict. It's before Ayatollah Khomeini and the Iranian revolution; before Saudi Arabia; before the Taliban; before drone strikes; before the Cold War or the World Wars; before Herzl founded the Zionist movement; before Americans knew what jihad or even Islam was; before the United States had ever engaged in any military operation overseas; and importantly well before the existence of any established U.S. foreign policy.
Yet these words about the laws of the Quran, taking slaves, waging holy war, and martyrdom read as if they could just as well have been plucked from any international newspaper in the last week.
Yes, it's just their violent religion and Koran. You can find endorsement for almost all of these actions that Saudis and ISIS do in the Quran. The beheading of disbelievers in verses 8:12–13; the amputation of hands for theft in verse 5:38; domestic violence in 4:34; the killing of polytheists in 9:5; and so on.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
