ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity

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The very first words in your new link...

Early Muslim conquests

I applaud modern muslims, with their relatively secularized and western values combined with a moderated faith.  It's good to see that they have left the original shape of islam behind...even if guys like ISIS haven't.

And now, you invade modern culture and claim that it is western?
You do know and realize that "Mocha"; the coffee, is an Islamic discovery, right?
You do know and realize that Ancient Egyptians used perfumes, right?
You do know and realize that Muslims showed Europe the "mirror", right?
You do know and realize that it is Muslims who founded "modern Chemistry", right?
For the reader who want to read more about the achievements of my ancestors, here are they in this great headline from the "independent":
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien...06905.html

So who is having the values of whom?

To me, you seem like a cheap copy of Muslims guarded by atomic bombs, and doesn't use water to clean after using the toilet.
We dominated the world once, and the west took our values to escape the dark ages. So please; don't try to turn the table upside down, respect the mind of the reader.

There's no need for revisionism in that, though. You're a better person than the prophet and all of his men. The countries muslims flee to today are improved in every respect compared to the caliphate. You'd be an abject failure if you weren't - just as I would be an abject failure if I was running around doing what my forebearers did in the 6th and 7th centuries. Just as any nation today that attempts what they achieved then is decried as a terrorist state.

I don't agree with you. The Prophet -peace be upon him- was known for his skills as a merchant, I'm not. Matter in fact, I suck at business. Moreover, he established a business with his wife -a woman- 1400 years ago, traveled a lot too. I didn't do any of that.

You remind me of a person from this age, comparing himself to a Roman citizen 2000 years ago in terms of technology and feels superior. How sad is that.

Frankly, had ISIS contented themselves at the summit of their organizational ability with the territory and resources then under their control - it's entirely likely that they could have arisen from the ashes of war as a credible governing authority. Their ambition exceeded their abilities, inspired by a revisionist view of history not at all dissimilar to your own (and that's not the only point of agreement between you, lol), and a belief that they were doing the work of allah entirely like that of the early muslim conquerors. They sought to do what was once done so well - and failed.

The "Israeli Secret Intelligence Service" again..oh boy.

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I understand.

Is wikipedia good enough for you, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_of_Islam


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And moreover, are modern Muslim immigrants came to Europe and the U.S through AK-47s or through the embassy of the country ? all of them -literally all- came as refugees and immigrants, admitted formally and legally by the country they visit.

so ??

And yet again your source doesn't actually support your point.  The early Muslim movement was not what you paint it to be, even according to your own source.

As Khem has already noted, your article starts with these very words, "Early Muslim conquests in the years following Muhammad's death led to the creation of the caliphates, occupying a vast geographical area."  

You're as bad as Drich in quoting sources that don't support you as if they did support you, so you can remain on the bench.

(and for what it's worth, even if it did support you, it wouldn't be a particularly good source because topics such as the spread of Islam often become battlegrounds for partisan interest on Wikipedia, with the greater zeal of zealots often prevailing over cooler heads.  But we don't have to consider that in this case, anyway.)

But we are not speaking about that.

We are speaking about your legendary abilities to dodge points; like the thusands of time I mentioned this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Medina

The constitution formed the basis of a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multifaith]multi-religious Islamic state in Medina.[2][3][4][5][6]
The constitution was created to end the bitter intertribal fighting between the rival clans of Banu Aws and Banu Khazraj in Medina[6] and to maintain peace and co-operation among all Medinan groups. Establishing the role of Muhammad as the mediating authority between the two groups and the others in Medina was central to the ending of Medinan internal violence and was an essential feature of the constitution. The document ensured freedom of religious beliefs and practices for all citizens who "follow the believers". It assured that representatives of all parties, Muslim or non-Muslim, should be present when consultation occurs or in cases of negotiation with foreign states. It declared "a woman will only be given protection with the consent of her family" and imposed a tax system for supporting the community in times of conflict. It declared the role of Medina as a ḥaram (حرم, "sacred place"), where no blood of the peoples included in the pact can be spilled.
The division of the constitution into numbered articles is not in the original text and the numbering of clauses differs in different sources, but there is general agreement on the authenticity of the most widely-read version of the charter, which is found in Ibn Ishaq's Sirah Rasul Allah.[7][8]

Sad..