RE: ISIS is to Islam as the KKK is to Christianity
September 20, 2018 at 10:11 am
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2018 at 10:15 am by Angrboda.)
What happened in the early stages was Islam. What Muhammad did and preached later is also Islam. You don't get to whitewash Islam by ignoring the latter and proclaiming the former.
And now you're moving the goalposts even further by going back further in history to a point when taqiyya ruled out of necessity, not choice.
The problem with attempting to whitewash Muhammad and Islam this way is that you're simply trying to create an ersatz Islam that's not true to original Islam. You're the heretic, not ISIS.
Even that early stage of Medinan Islam is not what you paint it to be. Here are David Wood's remarks on the matter:
And in before you say you don't consider the hadith, the histories, and tafsir relevant, that's just you again trying to whitewash history by simply denying it.
"Islam's greatest ally in the west is ignorance." You're simply attempting to spread ignorance and disinformation.
And now you're moving the goalposts even further by going back further in history to a point when taqiyya ruled out of necessity, not choice.
The problem with attempting to whitewash Muhammad and Islam this way is that you're simply trying to create an ersatz Islam that's not true to original Islam. You're the heretic, not ISIS.
Even that early stage of Medinan Islam is not what you paint it to be. Here are David Wood's remarks on the matter:
Quote:Notice that the first real battle between Muslims and non-Muslims [the battle of Badr] was a result of non-Muslims trying to protect themselves from Muslims terrorizing their trade routes. [two years after the Constitution of Medina, btw] ... It didn't take long for Muhammad's protectors to realize that they had been duped. Muslims weren't quite the innocent victims they claimed to be. Muhammad and his followers were far more greedy and violent than the pagans they were now attacking. But these disillusioned defenders soon learned that once you agree to support Muhammad, you don't get to change your mind. Anything other than perfect allegiance to Muhammad becomes grounds for expulsion, seizing property, enslavement, or annihilation. Three Jewish tribes in Medina found that out the hard way. ... Non-Muslims also learned that no matter how much they disagreed with Muhammad's campaign of violence and intimidation, they had to keep their mouths shut. Muhammad began ordering the assassination of critics [during this stage], people who spoke out against Islam or wrote poems about Muhammad were brutally murdered. And the citizens of Medina, the very people who had invited Muslims into their city rapidly saw their rights disappearing in the name of Allah.
Stage two then, is characterized by defensive fighting, fighting those who attack the Muslim community in some way. What we need to get our minds around, however, is that Muslims have a much broader definition of what constitutes an attack than anything we're familiar with. Persecution and military aggression certainly count as attacks, but as we've seen, criticizing Islam counts as an attack. Backing out of alliances after you figure out Muhammad's true intentions counts as an attack. And in the defensive jihad stage, Muslims are ordered to respond to these "attacks" with physical violence and terrorism.
~ David Wood
And in before you say you don't consider the hadith, the histories, and tafsir relevant, that's just you again trying to whitewash history by simply denying it.
"Islam's greatest ally in the west is ignorance." You're simply attempting to spread ignorance and disinformation.
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